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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Styles |
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We are essentially set up to fail here in my view..
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Where you are is what you make of it. There are many examples of non-Koreans here who are, in fact, successful and happy with their lives here. |
Some people are set up to fail here. That is true. I haven't been and maybe you haven't been, but it does happen to foreigners when they come here. I landed in an ideal situation and I loved it. I had friends that weren't so lucky. I don't blame them for circumstances that were out of their control. |
But that's not necessarily race dependant. It's more related to employment. I have no doubt that white, black, brown, yellow and indigo have all been "set up to fail" by some employer here at some time. ALL people can relate to being shafted by an employer - especially in the ESL industry here.
That being said, anyone who's been here for any length of time knows that it's not always one sided - that there's often a flip side to the stories told. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Guys and gals...this entire OP, covered under the title of "styles" is just another troll-bait racism laced drool piece.
You should know better than to respond to such posts. The follow up "supporters" who tried to defend the OP just showed how hypocritical they are when it comes to racism and bigotry. Again, why respond and get in a flame war?
Let these posters circle jerk togheter, thats what they love to do. Or respond and waste yet more of your time. Your call guys. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| What I mean is that there is a deliberate lack of recall when it comes to the fact that we, pardon my French, saved their a**es. |
We? I certainly had nothing to do with it. Time has marched on. I don't feel that I owe the French the independence of my country, nor do I feel that Brits owe theirs to Americans or Soviets who pulled their butts out of the fire 60 years ago. I would not presume to go into France and expect the French to have this "sense of recall over my saving their hindquarters".
I do not feel that I should bear any responsibility for Jim Crow or any of my country's bad actions of the past, consequently I do not deserve any thanks or credit. I had nothing to do with those things.
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| We are essentially set up to fail here in my view.. |
And yet many succeed. Is the failure found in the place or in the person?
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| but we-- the US-- built it of course. Yes, I said it) |
The US provided many things, but no more built this country than France or Germany was built by the U.S. Which is to say a great deal from Americans and a great deal more from the people in those countries.
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They are not allowed to be human beings.
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I have found that many Koreans lead far more fulfilling lives than many of those who view them as robots. Many of whom seem to believe they are something other than people schleping away at their jobs. A lot of people who talk about writing, talk about forming a band or making a movie. Then I meet Koreans who ARE writers, who ARE musicians, who ARE making movies. |
I just don't understand, if YOU are American, how you cannot be proud of your country. Why oh why do the millennials have a blame America first attitude. America, as Reagan proudly stated, is the beacon on the hill; or words to that effect. It is a symbol of hope for a deprived people. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| What I mean is that there is a deliberate lack of recall when it comes to the fact that we, pardon my French, saved their a**es. |
We? I certainly had nothing to do with it. Time has marched on. I don't feel that I owe the French the independence of my country, nor do I feel that Brits owe theirs to Americans or Soviets who pulled their butts out of the fire 60 years ago. I would not presume to go into France and expect the French to have this "sense of recall over my saving their hindquarters".
I do not feel that I should bear any responsibility for Jim Crow or any of my country's bad actions of the past, consequently I do not deserve any thanks or credit. I had nothing to do with those things.
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| We are essentially set up to fail here in my view.. |
And yet many succeed. Is the failure found in the place or in the person?
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| but we-- the US-- built it of course. Yes, I said it) |
The US provided many things, but no more built this country than France or Germany was built by the U.S. Which is to say a great deal from Americans and a great deal more from the people in those countries.
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They are not allowed to be human beings.
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I have found that many Koreans lead far more fulfilling lives than many of those who view them as robots. Many of whom seem to believe they are something other than people schleping away at their jobs. A lot of people who talk about writing, talk about forming a band or making a movie. Then I meet Koreans who ARE writers, who ARE musicians, who ARE making movies. |
Yet you always go on about how senior citizens here are owed so much.
As for what people believe about themselves, you obviously believe you have a great deal to add to any thread on Dave's and rarely miss an opportunity to climb up on your soapbox. Yet rarely is that belief realized.
Art of course is often in the eye of the beholder but it IMO is a rare flower that never fully blooms in Korea. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Speaking of climbing up on a soap box...
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| I just don't understand, if YOU are American, how you cannot be proud of your country. Why oh why do the millennials have a blame America first attitude. America, as Reagan proudly stated, is the beacon on the hill; or words to that effect. It is a symbol of hope for a deprived people. |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| I just don't understand, if YOU are American, how you cannot be proud of your country. Why oh why do the millennials have a blame America first attitude. America, as Reagan proudly stated, is the beacon on the hill; or words to that effect. It is a symbol of hope for a deprived people. |
He seems to have difficulty being impartial about a country he has a bond to. Many people do - Koreans, born abroad or adopted, included. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| lithium wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| What I mean is that there is a deliberate lack of recall when it comes to the fact that we, pardon my French, saved their a**es. |
We? I certainly had nothing to do with it. Time has marched on. I don't feel that I owe the French the independence of my country, nor do I feel that Brits owe theirs to Americans or Soviets who pulled their butts out of the fire 60 years ago. I would not presume to go into France and expect the French to have this "sense of recall over my saving their hindquarters".
I do not feel that I should bear any responsibility for Jim Crow or any of my country's bad actions of the past, consequently I do not deserve any thanks or credit. I had nothing to do with those things.
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| We are essentially set up to fail here in my view.. |
And yet many succeed. Is the failure found in the place or in the person?
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| but we-- the US-- built it of course. Yes, I said it) |
The US provided many things, but no more built this country than France or Germany was built by the U.S. Which is to say a great deal from Americans and a great deal more from the people in those countries.
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They are not allowed to be human beings.
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I have found that many Koreans lead far more fulfilling lives than many of those who view them as robots. Many of whom seem to believe they are something other than people schleping away at their jobs. A lot of people who talk about writing, talk about forming a band or making a movie. Then I meet Koreans who ARE writers, who ARE musicians, who ARE making movies. |
I just don't understand, if YOU are American, how you cannot be proud of your country. Why oh why do the millennials have a blame America first attitude. America, as Reagan proudly stated, is the beacon on the hill; or words to that effect. It is a symbol of hope for a deprived people. |
Thank you for framing it in a "millennials" context. That's a fair argument, Well, not totally fair, but at least alluding to experiences and I think, cross-cultural values. Korean millenials and American millenials. Lazy shade enjoyers.
I am not in the condition to debate things, but I will say again, thank you for using "millennial' rather than 'you are Korean". |
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coratheexplorer
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Guys and gals...this entire OP, covered under the title of "styles" is just another troll-bait racism laced drool piece. |
Or is it an act of compassion? A gift for the delusional souls trapped in Plato's cave, in need of something to occupy themselves.... |
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coratheexplorer
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
I've got just as many posts as him |
but, but...you're the Captain!! Oh wait.... |
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coratheexplorer
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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OP, sorry you are having a rough time.
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TY and thank you for your service as well. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| That's just ridiculous. I know it's not going to change, but I wont' excuse it like you are trying to. |
You don't get to always choose the people you deal with. You might be surprised who turns up to help you out and do the right thing when things crop up. Some of those non-racist, idealists will wither and run away when things get tough, and others will stick with you through thick and thin.
I'm not excusing it, I'm saying that 1)Racism is not the greatest crime in the world, and that 2) there is many a "non-racist" that is treating people far crappier than "racists".
I've worked for racist employers who were kinder and better to the people who worked for them, who happened to be of the race they would rant about and I've worked for non-racist employers who treated everyone like equal pieces of trash. We're real men and women who lead real lives and we knew deep down who the better person was. We knew which one would give us time off for personal matters or bereavement bonuses and which would go by the book.
I think racism is stupid and ignorant and there are definitely many times where it has to be confronted.
Heck, I rail against racism on these boards, but half the people I clash with sound like decent types to have a beer with (and hence why I don't go after posters personally) and you better believe that if some random group of Koreans started a fight while having beers that I would back those guys up and they would do the same for me. Meanwhile some poster like Komerican may agree with points I make, but the guy seems like such a weasel to me that I wouldn't trust him to have my back against a Smurf.
Give me Archie Bunker & George Jefferson anyday over some fake multiracial group of hipsters who never say anything offensive. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Styles |
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Was it always in fashion to express extreme negativity towards the U.S.A. (in other words, to illogically and unfoundedly hate us) or is this a recent trend?
I can't believe it was always this way. And also I don't know how any thinking person can feel good about being here. No offense intended, GOD BLESS you if you have found a way to make this situation work for you. I mean that. I personally just have realized that in so many ways it is a fundamentally impossible situation. We are essentially set up to fail here in my view..
Yes I am venting. Oh Lordy do I need to vent. |
Grew up overseas military brat. As far back as '75 there were anti American bombings and rhetoric in Europe. We helped these guys, and now these guys over here hate us. Never ends. Those people were more outwardly hateful of America than Koreans ever were, so I guess it depends on your perspective and what you have/haven't been exposed to before E. Asia. Just remember, while you're certainly allowed to rant away, it all adds to the 'experience' and without it, life would be too easy.  |
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