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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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Come on guys. Really? Employers ask many of these same questions of Koreans when they interview for jobs. It's accepted here. And, on top of that, the parents, the taxpayers, want a certain "type" of person to teach their children. Therefore, these questions are relevant to the jobs.
Also, if other countries were allowed to ask these questions of their employees, you had better bet the majority of employers would do so. If you think differently, you are fooling yourself.
+1 This is not "Your Home Country". No one is forcing you to work here. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:19 am Post subject: |
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That is why I learn to get the questions they really want to ask out of the way. I provide a information sheet with my resume that fills in the real details people want to know. Age, race, habits, etc. This allows me to forestall or avoid the same stupid questions and/or allow me to answer them to maximum advantage.
Yes sometimes people are just blunt. Also you can expect the same BS as you get from a hagwon from a public school. Sometimes there is a little more professionalism in government but like any group of people it is filled with Koreans who can be zealous, bigoted, dense, curious, harmless, or whatever.
As War Eagle said if employers in the west could do it, they would. They do not do it because they are nice and more civilized. They do it because the lawyers and government get bitchy if they do ask. That is scary, so they learn to avoid the questions and use other ways/techniques to answer things. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Do you like Kimchi????
LOVE IT!!!!!!!!
I'm top notch at Korean interviews.  |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Do you like Kimchi????
LOVE IT!!!!!!!!
I'm top notch at Korean interviews. |
For bingo playing haggie jobs you are! lol |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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I was told flat out at a public school interview that "many" foreigners come to Korea, do drugs at a nightclub, then molest children at school the next day. It's astonishing the things that Koreans believe about foreigners. It's a mix of xenophobia, yellow journalism, and a cultural indisposition to think critically.
You need a thick skin to work and live in Korea. It ain't a pretty culture. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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]We're not talking about hakwan jobs here, people. We're talking about interviews conducted by employees of provincial education offices and applicants being flatly told that race matters, in a negative and demeaning way. Since we've all read that it happens every day in Korea during the hiring process then we do know that it happens. No one is denying that fact. But it hit home for me when it happened to a friend who should have had no problem finding a public school teaching job.
There's no justification for it. It's just so discouraging. |
"happened to a friend" does not equate to "happens every day"
The link comment someone made above might have been possibly referring to the second phrase I quoted. |
It's been well-covered in the Korean and international media. |
Then it should be easy to provide a link. |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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I was told flat out at a public school interview that "many" foreigners come to Korea, do drugs at a nightclub, then molest children at school the next day. It's astonishing the things that Koreans believe about foreigners. It's a mix of xenophobia, yellow journalism, and a cultural indisposition to think critically.
You need a thick skin to work and live in Korea. It ain't a pretty culture. |
Similar to African Americans or Hispanics in many parts of the US. Or the Jewish in France. Or Muslims in Spain. Or ...... You get the idea. Yes, it's racism. It's worldwide. And we have it far better off than most other countries. You hear of foreigners here being dragged into alleys and beaten or raped because they are different? |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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I was told flat out at a public school interview that "many" foreigners come to Korea, do drugs at a nightclub, then molest children at school the next day. It's astonishing the things that Koreans believe about foreigners. It's a mix of xenophobia, yellow journalism, and a cultural indisposition to think critically.
You need a thick skin to work and live in Korea. It ain't a pretty culture. |
Similar to African Americans or Hispanics in many parts of the US. Or the Jewish in France. Or Muslims in Spain. Or ...... You get the idea. Yes, it's racism. It's worldwide. And we have it far better off than most other countries. You hear of foreigners here being dragged into alleys and beaten or raped because they are different? |
Any foriegn female teachers care to chime in? I've read things here before. Sure there are more things not reported. |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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I was told flat out at a public school interview that "many" foreigners come to Korea, do drugs at a nightclub, then molest children at school the next day. It's astonishing the things that Koreans believe about foreigners. It's a mix of xenophobia, yellow journalism, and a cultural indisposition to think critically.
You need a thick skin to work and live in Korea. It ain't a pretty culture. |
Similar to African Americans or Hispanics in many parts of the US. Or the Jewish in France. Or Muslims in Spain. Or ...... You get the idea. Yes, it's racism. It's worldwide. And we have it far better off than most other countries. You hear of foreigners here being dragged into alleys and beaten or raped because they are different? |
Any foriegn female teachers care to chime in? I've read things here before. Sure there are more things not reported. |
(Edit: When you answer Weigookin's question,) don't confuse sexism with racism. That's a whole other can of worms. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:18 am Post subject: Double posting - mods please delete |
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Mods please delete.
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| War Eagle wrote: |
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I was told flat out at a public school interview that "many" foreigners come to Korea, do drugs at a nightclub, then molest children at school the next day. It's astonishing the things that Koreans believe about foreigners. It's a mix of xenophobia, yellow journalism, and a cultural indisposition to think critically.
You need a thick skin to work and live in Korea. It ain't a pretty culture. |
Similar to African Americans or Hispanics in many parts of the US. Or the Jewish in France. Or Muslims in Spain. Or ...... You get the idea. Yes, it's racism. It's worldwide. And we have it far better off than most other countries. You hear of foreigners here being dragged into alleys and beaten or raped because they are different? |
I don't know if you're as na�ve as you post or taking the pis-s here. Yes there are violent racists in Korea. You obviously have never talked to white foreigners here when the IMF crisis unfolded. Many native English teachers left because of the financial crash but some left because they didn't feel safe in Korea.
There are actually a few unsolved murders of white foreigners from that time and from what is known the murders had a racist component to them.
The Korean media and politicians whipped up a lot of hatred against white foreigners because they were linked with the IMF, stupid as that sounds.
Koreans actually have a lot of potential for racist attacks on foreigners because of the idea openly promoted in Korean culture and society that you can blame groups for an individual. That's why Koreans were astonished by the fact that they were not blamed for the Virginia Tech Korean gypo mass murderer. I had students who were in the US at that time and they couldn't understand why Koreans were not targeted in revenge attacks.
Obviously you also were not around or don't know foreigners who were around when two girls were accidentally run over by a US military vehicle. Again, white and also black foreign men were targeted for harassment, spat on, followed and abused by some Koreans. A few were attacked physically.
That was when the little idiot PSY was helping whip up Korean ultra nationalism and screaming to kill American f#######s, their women, and children. Just talk to white foreigners around at that time, it was a nasty, racist atmosphere for some of them.
When the American media unconvered how he urged hate crimes against anybody who was American (and that turned out to be anybody who looked white or black), Koreans expected that he would be uninvited to the White House because of his violent, race based rants.
As for the idea that in Korea there is no sense of western racism against minorities - that's ridiculous. There are undercurrents as well as overt hate speech by those prominent in public life, and fair bit of resentment among not a few Koreans at foreigners who haven't even settled in the country for life but are working for a few years and paying tax. Such as English teachers.
English teachers WERE INVITED and have to possess a degree to work in Korea. Imagine what would happen if Korea took in asylum seekers who have no visas, and few skills to participate in a developed country except to be dependent on Korean tax payers' money.
Imagine if Korea took in a real refugee intake (which they should as Ban Ki Mun is always telling other countries to do this), imagine if Korea had an actual real immigration program instead of people allowed on limited visas.
I'd say based on Korean society's struggles with taxpaying foreigners on legitimate visas only allowed on limited terms into the country, that there would be a real increase in foreigner bashing and openly hostile discrimination if Korea really had a significant number of foreign residents instead of the small number at the moment. Especially if those foreigners needed outlays of taxpayers' money to live. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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earth, your post just reinforces what War Eagle was saying. You are in fact saying the same thing he is but overlooking one element: we as white foreigners are not subjected to much compared to the minorities he discussed in other countries.
In fact, one could argue that white foreigners get far more preferential treatment than negative treatment in day to day life. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| we as white foreigners are not subjected to much compared to the minorities he discussed in other countries. |
This situation will continue so long as the economic prosperity lasts.
However Korean racism is internationally remarkable in terms of its shocking attitudes and widespread public acceptance of such perceptions. Not for its violence: racist violence is relatively low-level in this country.
Poorer countries may have more violent racist incidents, but they have overall less racist attitudes. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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not to get into an argument with you Julius but your evaluation of Korean racism is pretty exagerated in terms of its reach, virulence and nature.
Its ok, everyone has their opinion on this. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| not to get into an argument with you Julius but your evaluation of Korean racism is pretty exagerated in terms of its reach, virulence and nature. |
You are wrong. Also you haven't lived here for a number of years. Memory getting foggy? Sentimental false-memory syndrom kicking in? Emotionally unwilling to accept the truth about Korea because you have a Korean wife and mixed child? Korea is racist from top to bottom. When it was revealed that PSY had uttered his vile lyrics where was the condemnation? When MBC ran that piece a couple years ago, where was the outrage from the Korean public, churches, unions, politicians, social organizations, etc. That's right, there wasn't any. There never is. Racism is expressed affirmatively ('white face only'; E-2 visa stipulations; etc) and negatively (not being bothered by vile racist depictions of foreigners in the media). Korea has both in boatloads. Now go back to your cozy Vancouver life with your clean streets, tolerant society and pluralist ethos. Leave Korean matters to those who know what they are talking about, and who have to deal with Korea on a daily basis. You have nothing to offer this forum. Steelrails has the apologist angle covered for you. Now isn't there a nice picnic at Stanley Park that has your name on it?
Honestly, it's time to let go.
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