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catman
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 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:39 pm Post subject: Iran plans suing Hollywood over 'Argo' |
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� Iran is planning to sue Hollywood over the Oscar-winning "Argo" because of the movie's allegedly "unrealistic portrayal" of the country, Iranian media reported Tuesday.
Several news outlets, including the pro-reform Shargh daily, said French lawyer Isabelle Coutant-Peyre is in Iran for talks with officials over how and where to file the lawsuit. She is also the lawyer for notorious Venezuelan-born terrorist Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, known as Carlos the Jackal.
Following the 1979 attack on the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, 52 Americans were held hostage for 444 days, but six embassy staffers were sheltered by the Canadian ambassador. Their escape, using a fake movie as a cover story, is recounted in "Argo."
After its Oscar win in February, Iranian officials dismissed "Argo" as pro-CIA, anti-Iran propaganda.
The lawyer told the semi-official Mehr news agency that she will start a campaign to show that Argo is a lie, while pressing to stop distribution of the movie.
"We will be able to block distributors of the movie, force them to apologize and challenge them to confess that the movie is nothing but a sheer lie," the lawyer said.
Though the movie isn't showing in any Iranian theaters, many Iranians have seen it on bootleg DVDs and it set off a spirited debate that exposed a generational divide. Iranians who took part in the 1979 Islamic Revolution picked apart the portrayals of Tehran at the time but those too young to recall the events were eager for a different view on what had happened.
The decision on the lawsuit came after a group of Iranian cultural officials and movie critics screened the film in a closed audience in a Tehran theater late Monday.
The gathering, titled "The Hoax of Hollywood," discussed various legal aspects of filing a lawsuit, media reports said, without providing details. It remains unclear what specific charges Iran could raise and what court Tehran could turn to if the action goes ahead.
Those at the meeting dismissed "Argo" as a "violation of international cultural norms." A statement issued after the gathering said that "awarding an anti-Iran movie is a propaganda attack against our nation and entire humanity."
The statement did not clarify how the movie was allegedly unrealistic, but officials have accused "Argo" of depicting Iranians as "too violent."
They have also said the movie's director did not refer to other documentaries on the embassy storming or discuss reasons for the crisis, which included simmering resentment against the United States for a CIA-aided counter-coup in 1953 that toppled democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh and restored the pro-Western monarchy in Iran.
This was not the first time Iran has claimed that Hollywood has pushed a distorted picture of the country.
In 2009, Iran demanded an apology from a team of visiting Hollywood actors and movie industry officials, including Annette Bening, saying films such as "300" and "The Wrestler" were "insulting" to Iranians.
In 2007, the hit American movie "300" angered Iranians who said the Greeks-versus-Persians action flick insults their ancient culture and provokes animosity against Iran.
The 1991 film "Not Without My Daughter" � the true story of an American women fleeing Iran with her young daughter, angered Iranians who accused it of casting Iranians as dirty, boorish and cruel, obsessed with Islam and misogynist attitudes toward women.
Iran's state-run film industry boycotted this year's Oscars in the wake of an Internet video clip made in the U.S. denigrating the Prophet Muhammad that set off protests across the Muslim world.
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Titus
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Could you paraphrase why you believe the movie was "propaganda" instead of giving us a link to a white nationalist website? |
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Titus
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
Could you paraphrase why you believe the movie was "propaganda" instead of giving us a link to a white nationalist website? |
You ought to read outside of your comfort zone. It's a big world. Shaming does not work. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
Could you paraphrase why you believe the movie was "propaganda" instead of giving us a link to a white nationalist website? |
You ought to read outside of your comfort zone. It's a big world. Shaming does not work. |
So you are refusing to paraphrase then? Just giving a link to an article is kind of lazy. Especially when you are saying that it is propaganda. |
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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the site is filled with garbage. Here is something from the comments to give you an idea of the kind of psydo inteligence that read this crap.
"one reason I read VC besides for entertainment value is that he is not afraid to quote holocaust �denier� Michael Hoffman and recommend his books. Assuming he knows about Hoffman�s heretical works, he must not care about a tacit linkage with a serious �thought criminal.� I doubt Alex Jones would recommend even the mildest Jew critic if his life depended on it, much less a revisionist. VC also allows anti-Jewish comments. I leave them occasionally." |
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akcrono
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
So you are refusing to paraphrase then? Just giving a link to an article is kind of lazy. Especially when you are saying that it is propaganda. |
From the little I've seen of Titus, he seems incapable of rationally defending a position. I hope he proves me wrong. |
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GF
Joined: 26 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| akcrono wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
So you are refusing to paraphrase then? Just giving a link to an article is kind of lazy. Especially when you are saying that it is propaganda. |
From the little I've seen of Titus, he seems incapable of rationally defending a position. I hope he proves me wrong. |
He puts more effort into supporting his views than most others here. And he is effective. Longer term posters will confirm that. |
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jkrishnamurtidotorg
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| It was an entertaining movie. I didn't think it made Iran look that bad, but maybe that's just because I am more familiar with the history of US-Iran relations than your average movie goer. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:23 am Post subject: Re: NZ |
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"You try to honour the truth of the essence, the sort of basic truth of the story you're telling"
BS! I won't get into how it makes it seem as if the chief player, Ambassador Taylor, only had a minor role...But, what happened to Tony Mendez's partner, "Julio", and Dennis Packer, the CBC cameraman who helped the 6 diplomats pass off as a real film crew?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Caper |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
So you are refusing to paraphrase then? Just giving a link to an article is kind of lazy. Especially when you are saying that it is propaganda. |
Sure!
http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/02/why-argo-won-best-picture/
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Zero Dark Thirty is not propaganda. Argo is. Zero Dark Thirty lost the Oscar for Best Picture. Argo won.
Argo is not one of the flag waving, guns and glory cinematic tributes to God and Country of yesteryear. As the American Imperium grows more distant from the real American nation that gave it shape, its justifications have become more sophisticated. Argo is propaganda for America 2.0, Obama�s America, the Empire that will fulfill the founding destiny of the United States by eradicating all authentic nations and traditions from around the world, even if this means destroying itself.
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Of course, the movie is CIA propaganda, but of a very specific type. The anti-imperialist Left (what remains of it in the age of Obama) never quite understands that the ruling powers of the United States generally support their values. It is a dispute over means and not ends, and ultimately the existence of �antifa� are dependent on a System designed to support Goldman Sachs. The Establishment vision of American foreign policy is defined by aggressively using the hard fist of American power to support post-American ends of global democracy, international finance, and state enforced liberalism. Both old fashioned American nationalists and reflexive anti-Americans miss the point.
Argo is important because whatever its inaccuracies, it is telling us what the System wants us to think about American foreign policy. Even as a superpower, America remains exceptionally innocent. The reality that Empire means killing is safely hidden away, as Last Men don�t like to think about anything to kill or die for. There are still enough conservative useful idiots who will die for the honor of a long dead Republic, but we don�t want to show those people as heroes or their values as positive.
Instead, Argo is about guilt-plagued Americans using roguish (but nonviolent) derring-do to save other regular Americans for humanitarian reasons. The enemies are Muslims who have unfortunately responded to their oppression through the false consciousness of traditional religion. This is the kind of patriotism Hollywood can get beyond, and it�s no wonder � in this film, Hollywood itself is the hero. This is the kind of cultural propaganda that can support an interventionist foreign policy of drones, bombs, and universally applicable values. Best of all, this is the kind of foreign policy that can avoid having to call upon shared sacrifices in the name of national identity, history, or (worst of all) kinship. |
Argo is propaganda for the liberal, internationalist, anti-traditional society foreign policy. The Rivkin Project, as it were. Argo is a longer version of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3wtUCPWmeI
The propaganda clip above is designed to gain new recruts from the liberal set. Argo's goal is to gain the approval of the liberal classes for American adventurism. Mind, body, and spirit, as the saying goes. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:01 am Post subject: |
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the site is filled with garbage. Here is something from the comments to give you an idea of the kind of psydo inteligence that read this crap.
"one reason I read VC besides for entertainment value is that he is not afraid to quote holocaust �denier� Michael Hoffman and recommend his books. Assuming he knows about Hoffman�s heretical works, he must not care about a tacit linkage with a serious �thought criminal.� I doubt Alex Jones would recommend even the mildest Jew critic if his life depended on it, much less a revisionist. VC also allows anti-Jewish comments. I leave them occasionally." |
Using a crazy comment as a means to dismiss an article against war propaganda is weak. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| i watched argo last night. While it is a propaganda film it clearly does outline the cause of the mess was the Americans in the beginning. The only real problem is that the viewer is swayed more by emotions of anxiety and fear seen by the American side. The movie pearl harbor had similar problems. Nobody remembers the beginning of the film where it is clearly explained what the American side did to the Japanese to provoke their attack. |
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Titus
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