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TheUrbanMyth
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The people of New York City beg to differ, as their mayor has banned trans fats and is trying to ban certain sizes of soft drinks and who can sell them. |
Not a valid comparison to the Seoul situation. The bans in NYC affect everybody the same way. Everybody wins/loses at the same time.
The Seoul bans only affect the big stores. Punish one to benefit the others. |
Never fear m'lad...here is a more valid comparison
http://keizertimes.com/2011/02/22/a-look-at-the-communities-that-booted-the-big-box/
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| Other cities around the nation have put varying limits on retail size, purpose and placement � and each experience is different. |
And in most cases there is an outright ban on big stores which is FAR more draconian than in Korea's case. |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| mayorgc wrote: |
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The people of New York City beg to differ, as their mayor has banned trans fats and is trying to ban certain sizes of soft drinks and who can sell them. |
Not a valid comparison to the Seoul situation. The bans in NYC affect everybody the same way. Everybody wins/loses at the same time.
The Seoul bans only affect the big stores. Punish one to benefit the others. |
Never fear m'lad...here is a more valid comparison
http://keizertimes.com/2011/02/22/a-look-at-the-communities-that-booted-the-big-box/
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| Other cities around the nation have put varying limits on retail size, purpose and placement � and each experience is different. |
And in most cases there is an outright ban on big stores which is FAR more draconian than in Korea's case. |
Yup, that situation happened in my city, but it's still not exactly the same as the Seoul situation (not gonna argue whether or not it's far more draconian).
But, I'm hoping you can confirm this, since I really don't know. Were there any big stores that were kicked out once they were established in the community?
If there were big stores already set up, and then kicked out, that's very similar to the Seoul situation.
If they were never allowed to set up shop in the first, place, it's less of a valid comparison. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| mayorgc wrote: |
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The people of New York City beg to differ, as their mayor has banned trans fats and is trying to ban certain sizes of soft drinks and who can sell them. |
Not a valid comparison to the Seoul situation. The bans in NYC affect everybody the same way. Everybody wins/loses at the same time.
The Seoul bans only affect the big stores. Punish one to benefit the others. |
Never fear m'lad...here is a more valid comparison
http://keizertimes.com/2011/02/22/a-look-at-the-communities-that-booted-the-big-box/
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| Other cities around the nation have put varying limits on retail size, purpose and placement � and each experience is different. |
And in most cases there is an outright ban on big stores which is FAR more draconian than in Korea's case. |
Comparing cities of 7000 and 20,000 to a city with a population of millions would rarely if ever be described as valid.
As for draconian, nice hyperbole, but you might want to consult your dictionary. The first city has a Costco and Home Depot and is voting to decide whether to allow a Walmart to open there or not. A transparent, democratic process whereas in Seoul the "city council" is highhandedly limiting the amount of profits already existing stores.
The second city does ban large stores, although a Walmart say could open there as long as they obeyed the city's zoning rules, in an effort to maintain the city's historic small town ambiance. it does not say how the ban was established, but even if there were not a vote, there surely would have been public hearings. Again, much different that Seoul's efforts to rob Peter to pay Paul.
And the third example has a Walmart; they just refused to let Walmart build a larger store. So no outright ban as you claim.
I fear, lassie, you haven't mastered the art of linkology. You've got to READ what you link to. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| mayorgc wrote: |
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The people of New York City beg to differ, as their mayor has banned trans fats and is trying to ban certain sizes of soft drinks and who can sell them. |
Not a valid comparison to the Seoul situation. The bans in NYC affect everybody the same way. Everybody wins/loses at the same time.
The Seoul bans only affect the big stores. Punish one to benefit the others. |
No, the NYC ban affects certain stores like fast food establishments, and certain vendors, like bodegas, but it does not affect supermarkets and other places.
The ban was constructed rather unequally which was one reason it was struck down. |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| mayorgc wrote: |
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The people of New York City beg to differ, as their mayor has banned trans fats and is trying to ban certain sizes of soft drinks and who can sell them. |
Not a valid comparison to the Seoul situation. The bans in NYC affect everybody the same way. Everybody wins/loses at the same time.
The Seoul bans only affect the big stores. Punish one to benefit the others. |
No, the NYC ban affects certain stores like fast food establishments, and certain vendors, like bodegas, but it does not affect supermarkets and other places.
The ban was constructed rather unequally which was one reason it was struck down. |
Not exactly equal situation. There's no limit to the number of small size drinks. so technically, you can still buy 2 or 3 small drinks and that would equal the large drink that would have been outlawed.
And that is beyond the point anyways. I was just merely pointing out that this Seoul ban is handicapping the big markets and trying to prop up the small ones. The soda situation wasn't trying to do that. |
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atwood
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| mayorgc wrote: |
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| mayorgc wrote: |
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The people of New York City beg to differ, as their mayor has banned trans fats and is trying to ban certain sizes of soft drinks and who can sell them. |
Not a valid comparison to the Seoul situation. The bans in NYC affect everybody the same way. Everybody wins/loses at the same time.
The Seoul bans only affect the big stores. Punish one to benefit the others. |
No, the NYC ban affects certain stores like fast food establishments, and certain vendors, like bodegas, but it does not affect supermarkets and other places.
The ban was constructed rather unequally which was one reason it was struck down. |
Not exactly equal situation. There's no limit to the number of small size drinks. so technically, you can still buy 2 or 3 small drinks and that would equal the large drink that would have been outlawed.
And that is beyond the point anyways. I was just merely pointing out that this Seoul ban is handicapping the big markets and trying to prop up the small ones. The soda situation wasn't trying to do that. |
Exactly--one was a public health measure, the other a clumsy attempt to redistribute wealth. |
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salutbonjour
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| So, don't you think there will be a tent in front the next day selling all these items in bulk? Go to E-mart, go in front of E-mart and buy these things. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| If you think this is a good idea or even just reasonable, I have an idea for you. Call or send an email to someone you know in a different country and tell than about it. You'll see how bizarre this notion of denying items for sale at large stores truly is. |
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