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nickwils
Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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 Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
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| Why? If you're going to do a visa run to Japan why would you need return flight home? |
Well, if the OP's worked in Korea before then it's a non-issue. If he hasn't...
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| They've never asked me at immigration for proof of onward travel. |
You were lucky. And that luck depends on a number of factors, apparently the biggest one being the willingness of the folks conducting the plane boarding to subject their company to the risk of a fine. |
There are websites that print what look like flight bookings should anyone want to fly into say Thailand without an onward flight. You just type in the details and cost in $ and it looks like a booking. Nobody is going to go to the trouble of checking the booking itself.
Yes, I've had 2 tours of Korea (Southern Seoul regiment), 08/09 and 11/12.
The horror, the horror... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Again you were lucky. Only the most moronic of boarding agents at the airport would not be familiar with what actually constitutes a ticket or boarding pass. |
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nickwils
Joined: 30 Apr 2007
Location: Asia
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Again you were lucky. Only the most moronic of boarding agents at the airport would not be familiar with what actually constitutes a ticket or boarding pass. |
No offence, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Why would anyone with a onward fligh be in receipt of a boarding pass for said flight? When would you have a boarding pass in your possession for a flight that leaves in 3 months time from possibly a different airport. This is news to me.
The process is this, now listen carefully you will learn something. When you check in for a flight certain countries have rules about onward flight (Thailand, Korea apparently?) and certain airlines implement them. Not every airline and not every airport for a number of reasons, and this info checked at the departure airport as the airline is responsible for you once you are on the plane.
You are aware of ticket-less airlines that just produce an A4 sheet with a code and your flight and personal details and companies such as Expedia and Ebooker? Flight tickets or flight conformations take many forms.
Luckily for you everyday is a school day  . |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:00 am Post subject: |
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Well, you're certainly doing your best to be offensive, friend, with your snide--and incorrect--commentary.
| nickwils wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Again you were lucky. Only the most moronic of boarding agents at the airport would not be familiar with what actually constitutes a ticket or boarding pass. |
No offence, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. |
Actually, I know exactly what I'm talking about.
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| Why would anyone with a onward fligh be in receipt of a boarding pass for said flight? When would you have a boarding pass in your possession for a flight that leaves in 3 months time from possibly a different airport. This is news to me. |
Ah, now you're changing the game. A non-offensive person would've read exactly what I wrote and interpreted it as, surprise, surpise, exactly what I wrote. But, you, on the other hand, seem to not be familiar with the simple English word or.
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| The process is this, now listen carefully you will learn something. When you check in for a flight certain countries have rules about onward flight (Thailand, Korea apparently?) and certain airlines implement them. Not every airline and not every airport for a number of reasons, and this info checked at the departure airport as the airline is responsible for you once you are on the plane. |
You failed to educate me because you simply are incorrect as to the level of my knowledge of the subject.
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| You are aware of ticket-less airlines that just produce an A4 sheet with a code and your flight and personal details and companies such as Expedia and Ebooker? Flight tickets or flight conformations take many forms. |
And again only the most moronic of airline agents would not know how to check the validity of the document presented to them. But, hey, if you like throwing the dice with international travel, go for it. I prefer to be open, honest, above board, and actually not game the system because, as mentioned earlier--and something you now seem to admit actually being aware of--the airlines are subject to fines if they transport someone without the proper documentation.
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| Luckily for you everyday is a school day . |
Everyday is an adjective. The correct usage would be Every day, an adjective modifying a noun. You failed to get that correct also. Perhaps you should hie back to school.
By the way, a fare quotation doesn't look like a booking to someone who knows what they're doing. A booking looks like a booking. Your suggested action amounts to fraud. That's actually never a good idea when it comes to visas. |
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nickwils
Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:08 am Post subject: |
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So you win on a grammar point? Congratulations.
But as for the rest, I am right. Or.
Congratulations for being an honest world citizen, I am sure that there will be an award for you when you retire from teaching ESL.
Maybe you can retire into the airline industry and give them some pointers? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, you're right.  You're so right that your foundation for your laughable argument is to use a fraudulent website to print a fraudulent document to commit fraud. Wonderful you.
You have also proven yourself to be a troll. My usual practice once I realize that a poster is a troll is to simply ignore them from that point on. You can pound your chest or whatever it is you do when you believe you've scored some kind of point with your trolling. Good riddance. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| nickwils wrote: |
There are websites that print what look like flight bookings should anyone want to fly into say Thailand without an onward flight. You just type in the details and cost in $ and it looks like a booking. Nobody is going to go to the trouble of checking the booking itself.
Yes, I've had 2 tours of Korea (Southern Seoul regiment), 08/09 and 11/12.
The horror, the horror... |
He He He I actually never thought of that. Just get your old Expedia ticket and change the embarkment and destinations around. I don't think immigration is going to know or particularly care to take the time to find out if it's real.  |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Again you were lucky. Only the most moronic of boarding agents at the airport would not be familiar with what actually constitutes a ticket or boarding pass. |
You will never have a boarding pass, never. So adding it to the list shows clear ignorance. You only get your boarding passes when you check in at the airport. Even if your flight was for tomorrow, how exactly would you ever possibly have a boarding pass?
Yes, different airlines provide different confirmations. But at a basic level, they're just some simply next with a confirmation number, a date, and a traveller's name. Airlines never verify them. They don't have the time or will to sit there and look up everyone's tickets to check onward travel. Most of the time they don't even look at them, I've never had one looked at. They usually just say, you have a ticket to leave? Yes. okay done. Immigration has never asked to look at them either. Even if they looked at it, a fake one would probably be fine, because every airlines is different, and they don't have some kind of master list of all the airlines in the world and what their confirmation sheets look like. Heck people print semi-fake ones from the ferry all the time. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Good grief, alongway; your reading comprehension skills rot. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| Good grief, alongway; your reading comprehension skills rot. |
You wrote that in response to him talking about a booking, so you let me know where yours were so successful. What would an agent being knowledgeable about a boarding pass have to do with talking about printing up a fake looking booking...
spin in 3..2.1.. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:29 am Post subject: |
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All they have to do is look on their computer to see if your ticket is legit or not.
You can wave all the phoney pieces of paper around you want,
it won't help you if you meet up with someone who demands the real deal.
It's not immigration that does this, (for the hundredth time) it's the airline
when you go to check in for your flight.
Do they always do this? NO.
Do you want to chance it? That's up to you.
When it happened to me, I had to buy a return ticket on the spot and charge it to my credit card. They were not going to allow me on the flight otherwise.
It was Air Canada/Korean Air, by the way. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
All they have to do is look on their computer to see if your ticket is legit or not.
You can wave all the phoney pieces of paper around you want,
it won't help you if you meet up with someone who demands the real deal.
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How is looking on their computer going to tell them that confirmation code for some other airline/travel site is legit or not? They don't share databases.
There are some airlines/travel sites where you need to login to check a booking, so unless they're going to sit there and demand your username and password, they wouldn't be able to verify anything.
I assume you actually have bought an airline ticket before right?
For example, with Expedia, all you get is a text list of the passengers, flight segments and a long itinerary number. A number which can't be viewed on the website without logging in.
So where are they going to check that? |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
How is looking on their computer going to tell them that confirmation code for some other airline/travel site is legit or not? They don't share databases.
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I recently signed up for the Smart Entry Service here in Korea. That means I go through the automated kiosks and no longer deal with immigration agents or lines (sweet!). No entry/exit stamps in my passport for Korea either (except for one stamp on the back page saying I don't need the Korean stamps).
Anyhow, the first time I used the service, I got hauled out of line as I was boarding the aircraft. When the gate agent for the airline scanned my boarding pass, the computer told them I had not passed through immigration. Once they found out I was registered with SES (I think they were not used to seeing a foreigner with it) they let me go. So, it would seem that they share at least SOME databases. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
How is looking on their computer going to tell them that confirmation code for some other airline/travel site is legit or not? They don't share databases.
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I recently signed up for the Smart Entry Service here in Korea. That means I go through the automated kiosks and no longer deal with immigration agents or lines (sweet!). No entry/exit stamps in my passport for Korea either (except for one stamp on the back page saying I don't need the Korean stamps).
Anyhow, the first time I used the service, I got hauled out of line as I was boarding the aircraft. When the gate agent for the airline scanned my boarding pass, the computer told them I had not passed through immigration. Once they found out I was registered with SES (I think they were not used to seeing a foreigner with it) they let me go. So, it would seem that they share at least SOME databases. |
Those are internal databses at the airport itself, and apparently not all of them since they didn't record you passing through SES.
That connection makes sense. When they let you on the plane, they want to make sure you passed immigration properly. That's part of the airport's internal passenger control system.
However, Air Korea's check in desk doesn't connect to Air Thailand's reservation desk. That was my point. If you show up at Air Korea's check-in desk in Los Angeles with a 1 way ticket and they ask if you have an onward ticket, say yes, and they want to see proof and you hand them a print out of a "trip itinerary" from Air Madeupname or one that is otherwise fake, say a real one which has had the dates/times altered nothing on their computer is going to tell them if that's fake or not. In a lot of cases they can't do that. If you book with expedia, the only way to check it would be to go to the expedia website, login with your username/password and view the itinerary online to ensure it is real. With all the airlines/travel companies in the world, there isn't a single agent anywhere who has every single one of them memorized to spot a fake print-out nor are they going to be spending the time calling up random travel agencies to try and figure out if some person's itinerary is fake, unless they've got a really good reason to doubt them. |
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