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madoka
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KimchiNinja
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| The slaugher of kittens must stop dammit!!! |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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expected this to be another dubious smear like the http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ site brought from the center for consumer freedom (google who that PR firm campaigns on behalf of for yourself - hint Sourcewatch).... But actually not..
Having read the 'shocking' article I decided to look into who the author is, what they believe and therefore can I trust what they have written?
Having done that I was somewhat surprised. So i wondered if PETA had already responded to this person and the accusations previously.
Turns out they have.
So now I have a more balanced perspective of the two opposing point of views that have been attacking each other for some time but coming from the same camp relatively speaking.
On balance I can see that the PETA position (euthanasia policy) is the most realistic and pragmatic working with a very difficult situation. which is ironic as they're always being accused of extremism and idealism. If you haven't yet you ought to look up their responses...
So thanks for the warning - but I would be still happy to donate money to who I like and not be swayed by alarmist one-sided articles |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| drydell wrote: |
On balance I can see that the PETA position (euthanasia policy) is the most realistic and pragmatic working with a very difficult situation. |
When PETA stops screaming at people to stop eating honey because it's a violation of bee's rights, then we can talk about PETA as being "realistic" or "pragmatic." Instead, PETA demands the rest of society lives up to their ideological standard while themselves choosing pragmatism the moment it financially benefits them. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:52 am Post subject: |
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PetA is a money maker!! A real money maker. Yeah death is the only solution to all problems.
Strange how mammals survived until Peta came along. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
PetA is a money maker!! A real money maker. Yeah death is the only solution to all problems.
Strange how mammals survived until Peta came along. |
You're right! The decline of mammals only started after PETA. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| So please explain to me how killing these animals helps in any way. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps people should've been listening to Bob Barker all those years and spaying or neutering their pets?
I mean, what do you think animal shelters / pounds do?
Should these animals just be released as strays?
Look, I have no love for PETA - in fact, I just plain don't care about them. But what happens when no one adopts the huge surplus of animals at pounds?
�Approximately 5 million to 7 million companion animals enter animal shelters nationwide every year, and approximately 3 million to 4 million are euthanized (60 percent of dogs and 70 percent of cats). Shelter intakes are about evenly divided between those animals relinquished by owners and those picked up by animal control. These are national estimates; the percentage of euthanasia may vary from state to state.�
And PETA has "killed" 30,000 in 11 years. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
Perhaps people should've been listening to Bob Barker all those years and spaying or neutering their pets?
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And PETA has "killed" 30,000 in 11 years. |
It's not the euthanizing in itself which is drawing scorn to PETA here, it is how that euthanizing conflicts with PETA's professed beliefs and rhetoric. Yes, it would probably be best from a systemic point of view if people stopped mass breeding (both intentionally and unintentionally) pet animals, but the reality is that they do, so given that reality, when an animal is seized by PETA, what do you you think it would prefer:
1) Being poisoned to death.
2) Being released and maybe having a shot at surviving on its own.
If PETA is truly concerned about the animals and their lives, they would chose #2, because that's almost assuredly what any animal would prefer, and like PETA says, "Animals aren't ours to kill." Alternatively, if they truly cared about animals to the degree they profess, they would bring their budget to bear to keep these animals fed and cared for until they died naturally (an endeavor which would grow progressively more expensive, but these are living beings which PETA asserts have moral rights which must be respected). But no, once it's their money on the line, their rhetoric suddenly shifts to, "Let's be pragmatic and just poison them to death, because we need to spend that money on advertisements featuring naked ladies so that we can get more attention and hopefully get more money!"
Making our society a more humane place for animals is a worthwhile endeavor. PETA doesn't do that. PETA alienates people from its own cause, hogs available donations, and then pisses those donations away trying to appeal to college kids and get media attention as an end in itself, all while killing the animals it insists we have no right to kill. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Peta opposes the no kill movement. They say that publically. Anyone who disagrees with their views are welcome to oppose them. Why are people angry at them for not believing what they want them to believe? I mean, knowing very little about peta, i always thought their main belief was that animals shouldnt be used for testing.
Now, it's impossible to ask an animal its preferences, but a lot of these animals are sick and injured. A city block is no place for a pet to live. I suppose one's feelings on this matter might also echo their opinion about whether doctor assisted suicide should be legal. Where should the animals be released? Into a forest? I'm sure its much better to wander around diseased and starving and eventually get torn up by a mountain lion.
I always thought peta was a bunch of nutjobs but more and more it seems they are the moderates in this debate. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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Of course the larger problem is the silly obsession over dogs. I mean okay but there are other animals. Now there is this over population of thes pests and the smae people who are dog crazy usually know nothing about other animals or nature.
that is why PETA can get away with silly arguments about stealing bee's honey. they know their audience.
So the people who "love" dogs are damaging the enviroment with thhis over population of a cetain animal. Serious damage.
Why hasn't PETA said a word about that.
Just read Daves, people flying dogs to a country which has thousands of dogs.
Anyone know the salaries of the higher ups in PETA?? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
When PETA stops screaming at people to stop eating honey because it's a violation of bee's rights, |
That's insane, bees are biological automons with no awareness |
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madoka
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
That's insane, bees are biological automons with no awareness |
Here's what PETA has to say about that:
http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/tags/honeybees/default.aspx
"One study shows that honeybees, whose behavioral abilities rival that of some vertebrates, can determine whether or not shapes are symmetrical, can classify objects according to sameness and difference, and will stop flying after passing a predetermined number of landmarks.
I bet if you tried you could think of a few humans who struggle with those three tasks. I've been known to have a little trouble with that last one, myself.
So the next time you see one of these clever critters, keep in mind their ingenious minds, and let them live their complex, profound lives. "
And from PETA Prime:
"Recent work has brought the notion of cognitive maps up for reconsideration, but the bottom line remains: The mental life of bees includes decision-making that would indicate conscious awareness if performed by vertebrate animals. This is not hard-wired robotic behavior. Honeybees change their minds when conditions change. When looking for a new nest location, for example, scouts report back to the hive and spread the word to their sisters. The scouts will then visit the sites recommended by others, and if they are convinced that the suggested location is better than their previous choice, they change their vote and spread the word to the rest of the hive about the better site. Let that sink in for a moment." |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| "Recent work has brought the notion of cognitive maps up for reconsideration, but the bottom line remains: The mental life of bees includes decision-making that would indicate conscious awareness if performed by vertebrate animals. This is not hard-wired robotic behavior. Honeybees change their minds when conditions change. When looking for a new nest location, for example, scouts report back to the hive and spread the word to their sisters. The scouts will then visit the sites recommended by others, and if they are convinced that the suggested location is better than their previous choice, they change their vote and spread the word to the rest of the hive about the better site. Let that sink in for a moment." |
Ok so Bees are feminist too AND they VOTE...impressive...most impressive. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| The board of directors of PETA are purposely coming up with extremist ideas in order to garner publicity for their cause. They most certainly aren't crackpots. The crackpots are the members who are further down the totem pole who are either too naive or stupid to recognize the strategy and instead eat it all up as gospel. |
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