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randall020105
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
Location: the land of morning confusion...
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ok, so here's my thoughts. she should head over to korea and teach english.
some folk over here look almost similar to this girl.
even if she loses 100kg, what's that gonna do.
she should teach english and eat lots and lotsa kimchi. kimchi solves all problems... fat, low self esteem, body odour... the list goes on... |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Bad news, Rollo: Media�s faceless fatties fuel society�s growing sizeism.
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Stories on street harassment are popping up across the fat-o-sphere. Popular bloggers such as the Fat Heffalump are sharing their stories; and Adipositivity Project founder Substantia Jones has created a new Tumblr, Smile Sizeist, where people who are harassed may share photos of the harasser. Some, like Dr. Charlotte Cooper of The Obesity Timebomb, and Lesley Kinzel of xoJane, have considered reasons why strangers feel comfortable, and even justified, in their public harassment of fat individuals.
One of the reasons in their lists is the visual representation of fatness in the media.
Most news stories about fatness are almost always accompanied by the picture of a headless fatty � a fat person without a head. And not just any fat person without a head, but a really, really, really fat person without a head. This really fat person is used as a stand-in for all fat people, even though really fat people are not as common as the use of their photos in the media would lead us to believe. The headless fatties have been everywhere lately, with stories about Samoa Air�s new �pay what you weigh� policy in the news.
One danger of this trend is that it leads to the objectification of fat bodies, and objectification leads to the belief that a group of people (in this case, fat people) are less than human � and therefore less deserving of basic respect and dignity. Without faces, it�s easy to forget that these are real people who lead lives just like you. And without heads, they�re dehumanised so the viewer can�t relate to them.
When the media are confronted with the accusation that they promote fat hatred through their use of headless fatties, the response is usually that they show fat people without heads to save people the embarrassment of being identifiable. Of course, fat people are still able to recognise themselves, even without heads.
And then there�s the social justice argument to be made when the only stories told about a population (be they fat, indigenous, or poor) are negative ones. Where are the positive stories about fat people and the lives they are living? When will mainstream media write stories about Aquaporko and Va Va Boombah, two fat positive groups here in Australia?
And anyway, there are alternatives to the headless fatty, thanks to the image galleries at the Yale Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity and Australia�s Stocky Bodies. Both are image libraries of fat people engaged in regular activities and behaviours and both are free to use.
The founders of the Stocky Bodies, marketing researcher Lauren Guerrieri and photography lecturer Isaac Brown, note:
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| Our library of stock photos was created to provide positive and diverse representations of the lived experience of fat that begin to break down the typecasting that heightens weight stigma. This is an important objective as research has strongly associated weight prejudice with widespread social and material inequalities, unfair treatment and heightened body esteem issues. |
All their images feature fat people with heads. They show fat people living lives just like everyone else � working, spending time with family, cooking and shopping. Another thing notably different about these libraries from the images usually utilised by the media is that all the images are made available with the individual�s consent.
On the other side of the Tasman, fat bodies were on display in different way recently � on the catwalk. TRUE SOUTH showcased the work of five designers presenting fashion collections for fat women.
Fat bodies are so rarely presented in a positive light that these are remarkable developments. They provide the opportunity for fat people to be able to look and think, �Wow, her body looks like my body� or �I can see myself in her.� And before my voice gets drowned out by the chorus of �Because of health!� or concerns about glorifying obesity begin, let�s remember that you can�t know a person�s health status or health habits by looking at their body.
Fat bodies are rarely presented in the mainstream media. They don�t often appear on television shows, in movies, or on runways. When they are shown in pop culture, they�re comic relief, portrayed as caricatures, or desperate to change their lives by changing their bodies. This only reinforces the negative stereotypes associated with fatness and fat people.
Events like TRUE SOUTH, and image libraries such as Stocky Bodies and Rudd Center�s, are good steps towards changing the discourse on fatness, and decreasing fat hatred and phobia. Now the media has no reason to only show negative representations of fat bodies. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Well my heart bubbles with joy that finally we see that thins are the problem not the pro-calories people, who are fighting hate constantly.
Someday I see a time when people will be judged by their character not by how many plates they consume at the all you can eat buffet. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Fat bodies are rarely presented in the mainstream media. |
...because they're f'ing disgusting. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:57 am Post subject: |
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At least she died standing up for her human rights. Supersize those rights.
I cant wait until the movie |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like to see obesity receive the same vilification process that cigarettes did/are. Heart disease kills far more people than lung cancer. Why did fat become acceptable while cigarettes became the devil incarnate? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like to see obesity receive the same vilification process that cigarettes did/are. Heart disease kills far more people than lung cancer. Why did fat become acceptable while cigarettes became the devil incarnate? |
A generally obese population is an inevitable result of the modern western lifestyle. Cigarettes are easy to vilify, because they're a specific product. Obesity is caused by a whole suite of behaviors which, if put a stop to collectively, would require an outright reworking of the way we live. That's a much harder thing to effectively attack, and a much easier thing to defend. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like to see obesity receive the same vilification process that cigarettes did/are. Heart disease kills far more people than lung cancer. Why did fat become acceptable while cigarettes became the devil incarnate? |
A generally obese population is an inevitable result of the modern western lifestyle. Cigarettes are easy to vilify, because they're a specific product. Obesity is caused by a whole suite of behaviors which, if put a stop to collectively, would require an outright reworking of the way we live. That's a much harder thing to effectively attack, and a much easier thing to defend. |
Not really. Many western countries don't have this problem. Again to use the same example, Northern European countries don't have this problem. I wonder to what extent the government subsidizing what is good for the farmers instead of what is good for the consumers part of the problem. Also, poorer people tend to be more obese, so countries with greater rates of income inequality will have greater rates of obesity. (http://jech.bmj.com/content/59/8/670.full)
It's not an inevitable result of western lifestyle, rather the result of the American/British lifestyle. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| I would like to see obesity receive the same vilification process that cigarettes did/are. Heart disease kills far more people than lung cancer. Why did fat become acceptable while cigarettes became the devil incarnate? |
A generally obese population is an inevitable result of the modern western lifestyle. Cigarettes are easy to vilify, because they're a specific product. Obesity is caused by a whole suite of behaviors which, if put a stop to collectively, would require an outright reworking of the way we live. That's a much harder thing to effectively attack, and a much easier thing to defend. |
Not really. Many western countries don't have this problem. |
Many western countries don't have present and growing obesity problems? Are you just being contrary for the Hell of it here? Sure, countries like France or Norway might not be as wildly bad off as America is, but the entire west has been progressively fattening up. Trailing the pack down a problematic path doesn't mean you aren't on that path; Norway or France might not look so bad compared to the USA, but when you compare to it to nation's like Japan or Korea, it's easy to see what's what.
Norway specifically:
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In Norway, there has been an increasing trend in the number of overweight and obesity in relation to the global pattern. According to 2000-2003 county studies, over half of adults were obese or overweight, except for 30 years old women where the proportion is somewhat lower. The proportion with obesity rose from 9-10% in 1985 to 13-22% around 2000. Similarly, about 15-20% of children (8-12 years old) and 8-14% of adolescents (15-16 years old) are overweight or obese, but there is limited information to suggest a trend over time (Norwegian Institute of Public Health, 2009). |
Over half your adults overweight or obese, and increasing obesity in children, but hey, it's not as bad as America so no big deal. The narrative is all that matters, right?
As far as the link between obesity and poverty goes, that, again, is a result of western living. Poor Asians have historically tended towards slenderness, and it's only their increasing adoption of modern western lifestyles that is changing that. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| I would like to see obesity receive the same vilification process that cigarettes did/are. Heart disease kills far more people than lung cancer. Why did fat become acceptable while cigarettes became the devil incarnate? |
A generally obese population is an inevitable result of the modern western lifestyle. Cigarettes are easy to vilify, because they're a specific product. Obesity is caused by a whole suite of behaviors which, if put a stop to collectively, would require an outright reworking of the way we live. That's a much harder thing to effectively attack, and a much easier thing to defend. |
Not really. Many western countries don't have this problem. |
Many western countries don't have present and growing obesity problems? Are you just being contrary for the Hell of it here? Sure, countries like France or Norway might not be as wildly bad off as America is, but the entire west has been progressively fattening up. Trailing the pack down a problematic path doesn't mean you aren't on that path; Norway or France might not look so bad compared to the USA, but when you compare to it to nation's like Japan or Korea, it's easy to see what's what.
Norway specifically:
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In Norway, there has been an increasing trend in the number of overweight and obesity in relation to the global pattern. According to 2000-2003 county studies, over half of adults were obese or overweight, except for 30 years old women where the proportion is somewhat lower. The proportion with obesity rose from 9-10% in 1985 to 13-22% around 2000. Similarly, about 15-20% of children (8-12 years old) and 8-14% of adolescents (15-16 years old) are overweight or obese, but there is limited information to suggest a trend over time (Norwegian Institute of Public Health, 2009). |
Over half your adults overweight or obese, and increasing obesity in children, but hey, it's not as bad as America so no big deal. The narrative is all that matters, right?
As far as the link between obesity and poverty goes, that, again, is a result of western living. Poor Asians have historically tended towards slenderness, and it's only their increasing adoption of modern western lifestyles that is changing that. |
Fox, I looked at your link for Norway and it wasn't really clear, but I think that your link is only talking about obesity rates for immigrants. The CIA factbook has it at 10% in 2009. Not great, but not an epidemic.
According to this list, Switzerland and Norway are number 26 and 27 and Korea and Japan are 28 and 29 in terms of obesity, that's in the same neighborhood. US, Mexico, and the UK are 1,2, and 3, clearly different. BTW I'm surprised about Mexico.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The CIA factbook has it at 10% in 2009. Not great, but not an epidemic. |
10% of the citizen base suffering from a perpetual negative condition isn't an epidemic? I guess there's no social ill that can't be trivialized by the "Use the USA as a Yard Stick" methodology.
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| According to this list, Switzerland and Norway are number 26 and 27 and Korea and Japan are 28 and 29 in terms of obesity, that's in the same neighborhood. |
No it isn't. Look at the incredibly sharp decline between Switzerland and Korea: the obesity rate in Korea is less than half of Switzerland's, which is an enormous statistical variation. Norway is even higher. Usually when you disagree I can at least see where you're coming from, but you're being outright disingenuous here.
Whatever you want to tell yourself, though. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| The CIA factbook has it at 10% in 2009. Not great, but not an epidemic. |
10% of the citizen base suffering from a perpetual negative condition isn't an epidemic? I guess there's no social ill that can't be trivialized by the "Use the USA as a Yard Stick" methodology.
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| According to this list, Switzerland and Norway are number 26 and 27 and Korea and Japan are 28 and 29 in terms of obesity, that's in the same neighborhood. |
No it isn't. Look at the incredibly sharp decline between Switzerland and Korea: the obesity rate in Korea is less than half of Switzerland's. Usually when you disagree I can at least see where you're coming from, but you're being outright disingenuous here.
Whatever you want to tell yourself, though. |
Is it more of a problem in the West than Asia, yes. If you compare any country against two of the least obese countries in the developed world they will not look good in comparison. 8-10% rate of obesity isn't good, but compared to other developed countries it's not the same. I agree it's a problem, but to lump all western countries together and hold them to the Japanese and Korean standard isn't accurate. Also, looking at the very high rates of obesity for immigrants that you so helpfully provided, and knowing that those two Asian countries have very low rates of immigration, that might be a big part of your answer right there. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| I would like to see obesity receive the same vilification process that cigarettes did/are. Heart disease kills far more people than lung cancer. Why did fat become acceptable while cigarettes became the devil incarnate? |
A generally obese population is an inevitable result of the modern western lifestyle. Cigarettes are easy to vilify, because they're a specific product. Obesity is caused by a whole suite of behaviors which, if put a stop to collectively, would require an outright reworking of the way we live. That's a much harder thing to effectively attack, and a much easier thing to defend. |
Agree. You can take down the tobacco industry, but good luck taking down the sugar/agriculture/fast food industries.
You have a constant conflict between industry profits and human health. In the US industry wins. Very easy to defend, they just say "it's calories in calories out, not the specific foods, you have a choice not to eat it". Of course at this point there really isn't anything left to eat in the US except fast food, you could goto the grocery store, but that's 80% junk food too. By the time most people leave home at 18 they are already screwed from two decades of school lunch.
So there is no real choice in the matter.
Obesity is an inevitable result of the US lifestyle, true.
And the US is exporting that lifestyle to other nations, we certainly see it happening in Asia. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Yes it is all the U.S.'s fault.
So the lardaphobic on here still condemn this noble lady who was a victim of the imperialist running dog capatilist U.s. hegemonic, corporatist, rascist fascist and really bad guy country.
80% of all food in the U.s. is fast food. REALLY?? |
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