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RisaRosenrot
Joined: 10 Mar 2013 Location: Paju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:38 pm Post subject: Teaching problems |
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I work at a hagwon on Baekseok. I've been having quite a lot of problems since I started 3 weeks ago. My kindergarten class will not listen to me. They will not pay attention and will constantly break their pencils to use the pencil sharpener. I've been having such a hard time with them, that I have fallen into depression. It just gets worse everyday.
To make matters worse, my bosses come in my classroom and yell at me about the stuff I'm doing wrong. I've been there for 3 weeks but have only taught for 2 weeks. It's been really hard on me.
They knew when I had started that I haven't taught that much before and I was teaching older kids. I'm having such a hard time that its causing me not to want to be here anymore. As in I just want to go back home to the states.
I have had depression and anxiety problems since I was 11 and this time last year I was under doctor's treatment for depression and bipolar disorder back in the states. I'm so unhappy that I just want to get a plane ticket and go home to my family where I belong. I have not felt welcomed in Korea since I got here.
The only thing holding me back from leaving is my boyfriend of two years is with me too. He said he would leave if the bombs were falling but wouldn't leave if I was just going to pack up and go home. Which makes me feel even more sad. I didn't want to come here to begin with but I came because he wanted to come.
I'm so stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching problems |
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RisaRosenrot wrote: |
I've been there for 3 weeks but have only taught for 2 weeks. It's been really hard on me.
They knew when I had started that I haven't taught that much before and I was teaching older kids. I'm having such a hard time that its causing me not to want to be here anymore. As in I just want to go back home to the states.
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And this is why Korea should strive to hire qualified individuals instead of business or basket weaving majors who have no idea on how to teach. What made you think you would be a good teacher? Because you can speak English? It's not as easy as you thought, huh?
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I have had depression and anxiety problems since I was 11 and this time last year I was under doctor's treatment for depression and bipolar disorder back in the states. I'm so unhappy... |
Why didn't you think of this before you left? Why didn't you mark your mental disability down on the health form before coming to Korea? You are actually disqualified to teach here, but you came anyway. Your fault. Suck it up. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Why didn't you think of this before you left? Why didn't you mark your mental disability down on the health form before coming to Korea? You are actually disqualified to teach here, but you came anyway. Your fault. Suck it up. |
I blame the wider Dave's community for this girls plight.
You always get the 60-70% of Dave's posters who tell OP's to come to Korea with mental problems. blah blah blah blah.....
OP look on the bright side, the kids are not bored enough to start stabbing each other with the pencils yet.
Now that will annoy your boss when little Minseok gets a pencil through the ear!
Anyway, almost the weekend - have a nice one! x |
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lille
Joined: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Instead of blaming OP, let's triage the problem a little bit.
What kinds of systems of rewards and punishments have you established in your classroom? Are students absolutely clear on the classroom rules? Are the classroom rules simple and to the point? When rules are broken, how do you react? What kind of material are you supposed to be teaching, and how much leeway do you have to change the way it's taught? Can you give us an example of a recent problem that arose in your classroom, and how you dealt with it? Are you with the same students all day, or do the students change?
With a bit more information, we can offer some suggestions. Hang in there. You'll find some systems that work for you soon. The first few weeks are harrowing no matter how much experience you have. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching problems |
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Dodge7 wrote: |
RisaRosenrot wrote: |
I've been there for 3 weeks but have only taught for 2 weeks. It's been really hard on me.
They knew when I had started that I haven't taught that much before and I was teaching older kids. I'm having such a hard time that its causing me not to want to be here anymore. As in I just want to go back home to the states.
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And this is why Korea should strive to hire qualified individuals instead of business or basket weaving majors who have no idea on how to teach. What made you think you would be a good teacher? Because you can speak English? It's not as easy as you thought, huh? |
Pfft. Jesus.
If Korea only hired Qualified Teachers they would have massive shortages, becuase the majority of real teachers get paid more and have better conditions and support sysytems in their own countries.
Whether you like it or not the way the industry is presented here, especially by recruitment agencies is "Come teach, have fun, travel, experience the culture", directly targeted at recent grads. No experience necessary. It's not her fault they haven't offered her any real training.
OP I understand your position. When i went with my ex-girlfriend to Japan she hated the job and got really depressed. I on the otherhand loved it. So as you can imagine it put a strain on the relationship.
There were days were she couldnt out of bed. It was hard for me to relate to that as I'd , thankfully, never experienced it.
She ended up going home and I stayed on for an extra 6 months.
You have only been here a short time, I'd say hang in there a bit longer. You may find that things get better and as someone else said, tell us what you have/haven't done and someone may be able to offer some good advice.
If things don't get better you should go home. Your mental health is much more important. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Location: México
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Hopefully this experience will toughen you up, seems that you need some of that. Were you weeping while you wrote that? Wow... what's with this boyfriend of yours? Sounds like he isn't very supported and probably comin' down with the fever.
This country will break you though, son. Especially a weak woman. You find yourself in a crappy area working for some slave driving hagwon owner, and any previous problems you had before will increase exponentially. It's over until you can get out. The most important message here being: Don't come over here to work for a hagwon, not worth the time, not worth the money. |
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modernseoul
Joined: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Talk to your co-workers and bosses honestly about your problems and maybe try and switch to a more manageable class. At the end of the day it sounds like this class has already lost respect for you and the school would be stupid to let it continue.
Also try and find something else to focus on and look forward to outside of school, many teachers become depressed because all they do is work and go home. Would you just do that back home? Maybe not.
I hope you find a way to at least improve your situation. But if not, flights are a little cheaper around May time  |
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chrisblank
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like you may be dealing with some culture shock. Remember, culture shock wears off in about 3 months.
If you feel homesick find ways to feel comfortable here, things you like to do that will ground your life. make it part of your routine.
Here are examples:
One of my lifer friends lives for NFL. Follows all the games, stays up late nights to catch games live. Reads online. Bought one of those NFL packages and can see all the games.
Another is into biking. Gets out and rides all the time. At least 3-4 times a week. Does randonneuring on week-ends.
Another cooks. Bakes, cooks, etc. Shops in 5 or 6 different places to get the ingredients he needs, and cooks like mom used to...often spends Sundays making bread.
One buddy likes to read. Reads voraciously. All kinds of fantasy, sci-fi, mystery or whatever. Everyday. On the bus, at home, between classes.
I like TV. Sit-coms, dramas, and late night talk shows. So every day I make it my routine to watch one late night show (Ferguson, Letterman or Stewart) everyday then a sit-com or drama. It keeps me grounded. For an hour or so everyday I can make myself feel at home and watch what I like. Crack open a beer, get some pretzels. No K-pop, no Korean Dramas. No gag concerts. It's great.
Find something you like that will "normalize" the experience for you.
As for dealing with the Kindi kids, lesson planning is your friend. Prepare flash cards for speed games, a marker and white board for pictionary, bingo, musical chairs, "egg" hunts, Simon says, etc. Have some skittles as prizes for good behavior (people will say its a bad idea, but when you start out you need all the help you can get)
Do songs, lots of songs. Have the kids sit at your feet so they are looking up to you (when you are forced to look up for a long time it makes you sleepy, great way to calm a class).
Use coloring as way to group the class, make everyone follow your directions. Each kid can choose a different color for a part of the picture, have them hold up the correct pencil, then color, then next kid chooses the next color, etc.
I taught kindi for 6 years. I spend a lot of time being a clown. Fall down, sit down facing the wrong way, exaggerate every move and facial expression, they will laugh a lot and then pay attention to you. Plus soon they will love you and you get free hugs. |
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mayorhaggar
Joined: 01 Jan 2013
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Stickers, coloring, and singing songs. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Once you remember that you aren't here to teach, but to be an entertainer then everything will be better. First of all do you have a co teacher in your class? If you do, try to get them to help you control the class or have them talk to the students for you. Do you know any Korea words for discipline? I usually pretend I'm calling their parents. When I was an entertainer at a Kindergarten, I used to use a blow up hammer to knock them on the head when they were misbehaving. Give awards to the students who are doing well and let the others see that if you do a good job you get something from it. Make a sticker board for the classroom to show good student progress.
Don't take the job that seriously to be honest. Unless you are teaching at a university or a good hagwon I wouldn't take the job so seriously. The bosses of these schools don't care about your input or ideas and just want you to be up there performing. Just make sure you do "big action" and everything will be wonderful. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:42 am Post subject: |
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I've never taught kindy, but I have talked to many who do or have.
I think your first problem is you are taking class too seriously.
It's kindergarten. Get some coloring books and crayons, draw sunny
pictures of people on picnics. Sing some happy songs about
the alphabet, simple kids songs with lots of TPR (actions)
If you don't know any, get yourself a copy of "Wee Sing".
Don't expect perfection, just try to have fun with them. |
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Mw182006
Joined: 13 Feb 2013
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Sent you a pm op. |
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lithium

Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:44 am Post subject: |
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I would advise you to join the military, but they won't accept you with mental issues. Find a nice English speaking church and you will be amazed how your stress will lessen. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:01 am Post subject: Re: Teaching problems |
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Sorry to hear about your problems Risa.
RisaRosenrot wrote: |
my bosses come in my classroom and yell at me about the stuff I'm doing wrong. |
Unfortunately some Koreans are bullies who get a kick out of pushing around westerners in their care, it exhorcises their inferiority complex.
Korean management styles are often prehistoric, they try to undermine your confidence so better to control you. They have not yet heard of the concept of motivating workers, they still rely on controlling by fear and intimidation.
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They knew when I had started that I haven't taught that much before and I was teaching older kids. |
Thats precisely why they picked you. Koreans love employing vulnerable greenhorns that they can manipulate.
If you had actually been experienced, qualified, or older, you wouldn't have stood a chance at a job. Because k-bosses are intimidated by actual expertise. It makes them look bad.
Korean society tends to conspire to crush talent and smother skill. Thats partly why this country lacks ingenuity or critical thinking.
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He said he would leave if the bombs were falling but wouldn't leave if I was just going to pack up and go home. |
He is looking out for his own interests.
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I didn't want to come here to begin with but I came because he wanted to come. |
That was your first mistake. You gave up your life to please him, and he's not showing much consideration in return. Perhaps you are blinded by love but there are givers and takers. Don't be too much of the former.
You have family back home I take it? If I were you at this point I'd go home and rethink what you want out of life at the moment. Its not defeat, its a new start. Put yourself first for once. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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nicwr2002 wrote: |
Don't take the job that seriously to be honest. Unless you are teaching at a university or a good hagwon I wouldn't take the job so seriously. |
That is unethical advice. If you do that you will be shortchanging the kids (and the parents who paid big money for their kids to learn English). Plan ahead for lessons and do a good job. Then you can hold your head high knowing you did the right thing. Or...if you don't like working there and it is causing you mental grief, leaving is an option. Maybe your replacement will be a better fit for the situation. But don't just give the pretense of teaching English while really doing a bad and slack job. That is like stealing (from the parents and from the kids' future). |
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