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Lucas
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 Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:51 pm Post subject: 'Close the stable door after the horse has bolted' |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309889/Boston-explosions-cause-panic-airlines-Logan-airport-flights-stopped-LaGuardia-evacuated.html
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| In another instance, a plane scheduled to depart Logan airport was evacuated after a man alerted authorities of two passengers speaking Arabic.............................. |
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...........Sources tell the site that there were several marathon runners on the flight who showed concern that the two people, who were not sitting together, were speaking the language
The plane was sent back to the gate and the men were escorted off the aircraft. |
But all of the abuses to minorities in the coming days/weeks/months will be put down to national security.... Pause, hand on heart, and salute the flag!
God bless America!
Those two dudes speaking 'Arabic' (wouldn't surprise me if they were speaking Chinese btw!) were lucky they weren�t shot! |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:47 am Post subject: Re: 'Close the stable door after the horse has bolted' |
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| In another instance, a plane scheduled to depart Logan airport was evacuated after a man alerted authorities of two passengers speaking Arabic.............................. |
But all of the abuses to minorities in the coming days/weeks/months will be put down to national security.... |
Arabic-speaking muslims have been behind 99% of terror attacks on the west.
Of course they're going to cause anxiety to many passengers if you have two arabic men on an american airline. Given the choice, most americans would likely chosse a flight that does not contain arab passengers.
That may be discrimination, but its something airlines will have to act on or lose money. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| three people were murderd including an 8 year old boy and you are worried because two guys were asked to get off a plane. Get some help dude. seriously. i dont know if its organic or mental but get help. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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There are at least a couple million Arab-Americans who are U.S. citizens, and there are millions more Americans from other ethnic groups whose first language isn't English and are likely to speak their home language in public. I'm pretty sure that less than a tiny fraction of 1% of them are terrorists - so without some other indication that they may be planning a terror act, they shouldn't be thrown off a plane just for conversing in a foreign language and perhaps wearing culturally different clothes.
I also think that numerous small-scale/hate-motivated terror acts of white supremacists, etc. are obscured by "stand-your-ground" laws. Of course, there's more-than-enough hate being stirred-up to go around - George Harrison once said that after hearing a particularly violent rap song he felt like going out and killing somebody ... |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I also think that numerous small-scale/hate-motivated terror acts of white supremacists, etc. are obscured by "stand-your-ground" laws. |
Do what? Are you not familiar with the Zimmerman case and the attention it received (and will receive again once the trial gets going this summer)? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Arabic-speaking muslims have been behind 99% of terror attacks on the west. |
Really?
The US isn't the entire 'west', but still...
Since 9/11, Kurzman and his team tallies, 33 Americans have died as a result of terrorism launched by their Muslim neighbors. During that period, 180,000 Americans were murdered for reasons unrelated to terrorism. In just the past year, the mass shootings that have captivated America�s attention killed 66 Americans, �twice as many fatalities as from Muslim-American terrorism in all 11 years since 9/11,� notes Kurzman�s team.
Spencer Ackerman: Report: U.S. Muslim Terrorism Was Practically Nil in 2012
The article is worth reading.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/american-muslim-terrorism/
This article by Wajahat Ali is also worth your time:
�Please don�t let it be a Muslim�
Muslims must always prove beyond an unreasonable doubt that we are patriotic, and outraged over things we didn't do
In responding to tragedy, some run to help; others run to fan the flames. One approach is honorable, the other is shameful. Most Americans, including American Muslims, will reflect their maturity, sensibility and humanity by choosing the former and moving beyond collective guilt by association. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: 'Close the stable door after the horse has bolted' |
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| That may be discrimination, but its something airlines will have to act on or lose money. |
Koreans want to be taught English by North American females and not by unattractive, single middle aged British guys. That may be discrimination, but it's something Koran employers will have to act on or lose money.
Hypocrite. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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So proud that people are concerned about the rights of muslims!! Not one word about the victims or their families. There is a real breakdown in the thinking process going on here.
The incredible intellectual dishonesty and stupidity i am reading is mindboggling.
I guess its all because of the internet and the absolute failure of the educational institutions to educate.
The absolute triumph of ideoplogy over rationality.
Muslims are not the victims. the victims are the ones dead or maimed for life. Geez!! |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| 33 Americans have died as a result of terrorism launched by their Muslim neighbors. During that period, 180,000 Americans were murdered for reasons unrelated to terrorism. In just the past year, the mass shootings that have captivated America�s attention killed 66 Americans, �twice as many fatalities as from Muslim-American terrorism in all 11 years since 9/11 |
Thats a pointless comparison. We all know that a deliberate act of public terrorism, representing an ongoing ideological struggle, is different to some random street homicide.
By your logic then, the Boston bombs are not worth reporting on because only 3 people died (more people die from bee stings).
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| Koreans want to be taught English by North American females and not by unattractive, single middle aged British guys. That may be discrimination, but it's something Koran employers will have to act on or lose money. |
I'm not saying its right, I'm saying its a fact. Public perceptions drive markets, leaving service providers with no alternative but to follow suit or lose money.
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| Not one word about the victims or their families. |
The two "victims" were presumably refunded their tickets or put on a different flight. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I also think that numerous small-scale/hate-motivated terror acts of white supremacists, etc. are obscured by "stand-your-ground" laws. |
Do what? Are you not familiar with the Zimmerman case and the attention it received (and will receive again once the trial gets going this summer)? |
What does the Zimmerman case have to do with hate-motivated acts of white supremacists? |
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grnmle
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta say something here: The 'victims' are not simply limited to those that were hit by pieces of metal. Honest, hardworking people who happen to be Muslim are also victims in this - because they will bare the brunt of a lot of ignorance. I mean, I see some of the posts on this forum and this is from the 'educated' 56% of America...
Just about everyone is touched by acts of 'terror' such as this. Thus, in a roundabout way, we are all victims.
And, unfortunately, I don't see it getting any better. So long as the US government continues down the path of - drones, torture etc. We will continue to see acts of terror (which could, alternatively, be called acts of war).
To be honest, I feel the same about the 3 people who died in Boston, as I do about the hundreds that are killed each year in America's (and friends) secret wars, which is to say I feel very little, other than the shock value of seeing the blast go off hundreds of times since Tuesday morning.
I should be more upset I guess, but I don't know who to be upset at. It seems a little disingenuous to say that we are all to blame, but when it comes right down to it, it's true. Somewhere along the line we have allowed greed to dominate, aided by ignorance. Those are the only two things we can count on after death and taxes. It makes me want to turn away from the world.
Signed,
Disgusted. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I also think that numerous small-scale/hate-motivated terror acts of white supremacists, etc. are obscured by "stand-your-ground" laws. |
Do what? Are you not familiar with the Zimmerman case and the attention it received (and will receive again once the trial gets going this summer)? |
What does the Zimmerman case have to do with hate-motivated acts of white supremacists? |
His implication was that those types of "terror acts" would go unnoticed. I brought up Zimmerman's case, an incident which should have received no national attention (and very little police attention, in fact) yet blanketed every major media outlet, to counter that.
Recall from that thread that we were arguing in favor of one another, not against. |
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salutbonjour
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| Had they been carrying Kimchi, they would have been subdued before even boarding due to attempt at biological warfare. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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So proud that people are concerned about the rights of muslims!! Not one word about the victims or their families. There is a real breakdown in the thinking process going on here.
The incredible intellectual dishonesty and stupidity i am reading is mindboggling.
I guess its all because of the internet and the absolute failure of the educational institutions to educate.
The absolute triumph of ideoplogy over rationality.
Muslims are not the victims. the victims are the ones dead or maimed for life. Geez!! |
'MUSLIMS' - that's a lot of people to bunch into one bracket!
On the one hand, yes of course I can understand the 'fright' of the people on the plane - esp the people who had been running in Boston.
BUT a one minute chat with the people should have been enough. They'd been through the security checks like everyone else and were passed as 'clear'. They were prob saying something like - 'dude have you got my passport' 
America loses whenever one of these attacks happens, because LOTS of the country goes into complete ffffffing meltdown, irrational behavior and then rage - who can we 'pin' this on?
Let's put people into 'groups' - Muslim�s = bad.
No middle ground?
Lots of the media make people take 'sides,' even people who don't really want to - because there's nothing worse than being called un-American now is there?
Count how many times you see the words �liberty� �terror� �freedom� and all the other �buzz words� that the American media love to shoot out.
And all the lemmings get into their little lines and take sides, whilst the people who commit these acts sit back and laugh at the end result!
Meanwhile another �law� will be passed, aimed at securing America and to protect the peoples� �liberties� � in the meantime ������������.
And as another poster said � I hope this turns out to be a white dude, for America�s sake!
And as for the bible bashers (we'll leave that for another forum!)  |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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America loses whenever one of these attacks happens, because LOTS of the country goes into complete ffffffing meltdown, irrational behavior and then rage - who can we 'pin' this on?
Let's put people into 'groups' |
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| My money is on anti-abortionists or similar fridge American organization.... |
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