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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Yeah, kind of stupid they don't sell fire alarms here. My mom bought me a fire and carbon monoxide detector before coming over here. She was worried I wouldn't find one. Boy, was she right about that. So, get a relative to go to Wal Mart and get a good one for you. Save your life. |
I also keep a fire extinguisher near my bed. I ain't going out without a fight. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Yeah, kind of stupid they don't sell fire alarms here. My mom bought me a fire and carbon monoxide detector before coming over here. She was worried I wouldn't find one. Boy, was she right about that. So, get a relative to go to Wal Mart and get a good one for you. Save your life. |
What are you talking about? Two second search on Gmart. Bingo. Fire alarm.
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Yeah, kind of stupid they don't sell fire alarms here. My mom bought me a fire and carbon monoxide detector before coming over here. She was worried I wouldn't find one. Boy, was she right about that. So, get a relative to go to Wal Mart and get a good one for you. Save your life. |
That is just inaccurate. You can buy these things on Gmarket and in many other places. Heck Homeplus had them as we bought some there last summer for the apt we bought in Busan. |
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cadurling
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| How many Koreans do you know with a smoke detector? Right none. Although you can buy one through searching, they're not common place and most larger stores don't even have them. Something that should be easily accessible and really required in all buildings are not. Why would anyone refute that claim? Seeing as someone just lost their life due to this ill awareness and availability. Is this not the opportune time to educate? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:01 am Post subject: |
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The reason most Koreans don't have them in homes is that they'd be going off every other night with the way most people cook.
Anyways, they have them in the hallway of my apt. And the ones at my school get tested biannually.
It's not the smoke detector you need, it's the fire ladder. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| It's not the smoke detector you need, it's the fire ladder. |
Because smoke inhalation never kills anyone? Good idea to have both devices plus a fire extinguisher. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| Why would anyone refute that claim? Seeing as someone just lost their life due to this ill awareness and availability. Is this not the opportune time to educate? |
I agree that we should be more aware of smoke inhalation.
In this particular case, I think there is something more to learn though. IIRC, she heard noises and/or smelled smoke and opened the door to investigate. The heat instantly seared her lungs and put her in a coma. Eventually that's what killed her.
The lesson I took from Nerine's case is to make sure to feel the door for heat before opening it. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Savant wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| It's not the smoke detector you need, it's the fire ladder. |
Because smoke inhalation never kills anyone? Good idea to have both devices plus a fire extinguisher. |
What good is a smoke detector if it goes off 3 times a week for benign reasons? |
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Couchsurfer
Joined: 10 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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More threadromancy. I guess no good threads have been posted lately.
This one is sad. Stupid ajosshis and their smoking habits. Stupid Koreans using alcohol as a scapegoat for everything, in cluding in this case, criminal negligence.
Anyone know if the loser was charged with 2nd degree arson and manslaughter?
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Thanks Madoka for posting the link to this thread in a recent thread. I just saw the last poster on this thread was Jongno Guru - damn, he passed after a motorcycle accident a few yrs back, maybe 4?
RIP to Jongno Guru, Nerinne (sorry, I thought her name was Narelle) and Matt Robinson - from what I heard thru their friends and acquaintances they were 3 of the nicest and coolest foreigners to ever live in Korea.  |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Stupid ajosshis and their smoking habits. Stupid Koreans using alcohol as a scapegoat for everything, in cluding in this case, criminal negligence.
Anyone know if the loser was charged with 2nd degree arson and manslaughter? |
Drunks get off too easy everywhere.
Larry Mahoney killed 24 children and three adults when he drove in the wrong lane while blowing a 0.24 blood-alcohol level. For killing more people than Newtown, he served 11 years. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Couchsurfer wrote: |
More threadromancy. I guess no good threads have been posted lately.
This one is sad. Stupid ajosshis and their smoking habits. Stupid Koreans using alcohol as a scapegoat for everything, in cluding in this case, criminal negligence.
Anyone know if the loser was charged with 2nd degree arson and manslaughter?
| earthquakez wrote: |
Thanks Madoka for posting the link to this thread in a recent thread. I just saw the last poster on this thread was Jongno Guru - damn, he passed after a motorcycle accident a few yrs back, maybe 4?
RIP to Jongno Guru, Nerinne (sorry, I thought her name was Narelle) and Matt Robinson - from what I heard thru their friends and acquaintances they were 3 of the nicest and coolest foreigners to ever live in Korea. |
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And stupid Korean cops who put up over 10X the amount of money than other NETs as a charitable donation to the victim. Those wicked Koreans.
Crime happens. Cigarette fires happen around the world. Drunks commit crimes round the world and all over there are people who skirt the lash.
The point is, before you let off some racial blasts, look in the mirror. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| cadurling wrote: |
| How many Koreans do you know with a smoke detector? Right none. Although you can buy one through searching, they're not common place and most larger stores don't even have them. Something that should be easily accessible and really required in all buildings are not. Why would anyone refute that claim? Seeing as someone just lost their life due to this ill awareness and availability. Is this not the opportune time to educate? |
I refuted the smoke detector is not available because that is UNTRUE. I bought some last summer (2012) in a Busan Homeplus. We also ordered 2 Fire ext for the apt we have in Busan. The buildingn itself has sprinklers and smoke detectors in the hallways, stairways and elevators (it is a newer building). Conversely, my in-laws do not have these in their older buildings but they do have them in their apt. |
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Couchsurfer
Joined: 10 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Using alcohol as a scapegoat is a cultural thing. Need some links?
And the second part was a question. You did not answer it.
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| Couchsurfer wrote: |
More threadromancy. I guess no good threads have been posted lately.
This one is sad. Stupid ajosshis and their smoking habits. Stupid Koreans using alcohol as a scapegoat for everything, in cluding in this case, criminal negligence.
Anyone know if the loser was charged with 2nd degree arson and manslaughter?
| earthquakez wrote: |
Thanks Madoka for posting the link to this thread in a recent thread. I just saw the last poster on this thread was Jongno Guru - damn, he passed after a motorcycle accident a few yrs back, maybe 4?
RIP to Jongno Guru, Nerinne (sorry, I thought her name was Narelle) and Matt Robinson - from what I heard thru their friends and acquaintances they were 3 of the nicest and coolest foreigners to ever live in Korea. |
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And stupid Korean cops who put up over 10X the amount of money than other NETs as a charitable donation to the victim. Those wicked Koreans.
Crime happens. Cigarette fires happen around the world. Drunks commit crimes round the world and all over there are people who skirt the lash.
The point is, before you let off some racial blasts, look in the mirror. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Couchsurfer wrote: |
Using alcohol as a scapegoat is a cultural thing. Need some links?
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No it isn't. Alcohol and drugs are used as scapegoats all over the world including in the U.S.
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Mens rea defenses are partial defenses that can negate a specific intent and thereby result in a defendant being found guilty of a lesser-included crime. In those jurisdictions that permit such defenses, drug and alcohol intoxication can be used as evidence to raise reasonable doubt about a required specific intent. In some states, such evidence is used affirmatively to negate a required specific intent, and the defense is called "extreme emotional disturbance" |
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| Although voluntary intoxication cannot be used as a basis for an insanity defense, in some jurisdictions there is a concept of "settled insanity" resulting from a period of drug usage. Settled insanity does qualify for an insanity defense. In California "settled insanity" can result from drug or alcohol use over a period of several months or even hours as long as it is not just a temporary condition produced by recent, rather than long standing, use of drugs or alcohol. This concept in California dates back to the late 1800s |
http://www.aapl.org/newsletter/N241_mens_rea_defenses.htm |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Couchsurfer wrote: |
Using alcohol as a scapegoat is a cultural thing. Need some links?
And the second part was a question. You did not answer it.
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Couchsurfer wrote: |
More threadromancy. I guess no good threads have been posted lately.
This one is sad. Stupid ajosshis and their smoking habits. Stupid Koreans using alcohol as a scapegoat for everything, in cluding in this case, criminal negligence.
Anyone know if the loser was charged with 2nd degree arson and manslaughter?
| earthquakez wrote: |
Thanks Madoka for posting the link to this thread in a recent thread. I just saw the last poster on this thread was Jongno Guru - damn, he passed after a motorcycle accident a few yrs back, maybe 4?
RIP to Jongno Guru, Nerinne (sorry, I thought her name was Narelle) and Matt Robinson - from what I heard thru their friends and acquaintances they were 3 of the nicest and coolest foreigners to ever live in Korea. |
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And stupid Korean cops who put up over 10X the amount of money than other NETs as a charitable donation to the victim. Those wicked Koreans.
Crime happens. Cigarette fires happen around the world. Drunks commit crimes round the world and all over there are people who skirt the lash.
The point is, before you let off some racial blasts, look in the mirror. |
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It is NOT a cultural thing...it happens nearly everywhere, including Canada, the US...
Booze is used as an excuse for many many things... |
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