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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
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Thanks for the tip. I'll see if we can leave earlier, but I doubt it.
The homework thing I never thought about. There's ways to explain it in English and then letting her go about writing/doing the math in Korean, though. Mom will be there to help if need be, too.
I'm not saying it has to be English 100% of the time, but it will be about 90%.



Dodge, 1000 immigrant dad's before you have said the same thing. 990 of them failed Good luck on being that 10 out of 1000.

Proclaiming yourself to be Alpha Or Beta has no impact on this. In the end it is up to your daughter.

Why not encourage English rather than ban Korean? Isn't positive reinforcement better than arbitrary punitive action?

You should encourage English and prepare for when you move back. But again it is encourage vs. banning. You can get the result you want with encouragement, but odds are that you will not with banning.

I wonder how Dodge will react when his daughter dates a Korean flower boy. Probably be like other immigrant dad's and scream about how he is sending her back home to live with grandma.

Dude, "immigrant daddy" applies everywhere. It doesn't stop just because you are from America or the UK.

"Deepti- Stop listening to that pop music and listen to Indian Music or daddy will send you to bed"

"Deepti- Don't date any English boys or I will send you back to Mysore"

"Deepti- When you are in the house you will speak Hindi and watch TV shows in Hindi or else daddy will get upset"

Yeah, that's going to be you. Don't be that dad. Be the dad that says "Deepti, I love you, and your mom. I want to make your dreams come true" NOT your dreams. Her dreams.
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
^^
Thanks for the tip. I'll see if we can leave earlier, but I doubt it.
The homework thing I never thought about. There's ways to explain it in English and then letting her go about writing/doing the math in Korean, though. Mom will be there to help if need be, too.
I'm not saying it has to be English 100% of the time, but it will be about 90%.



Dodge, 1000 immigrant dad's before you have said the same thing. 990 of them failed Good luck on being that 10 out of 1000.

Proclaiming yourself to be Alpha Or Beta has no impact on this. In the end it is up to your daughter.

Why not encourage English rather than ban Korean? Isn't positive reinforcement better than arbitrary punitive action?

You should encourage English and prepare for when you move back. But again it is encourage vs. banning. You can get the result you want with encouragement, but odds are that you will not with banning.

I wonder how Dodge will react when his daughter dates a Korean flower boy. Probably be like other immigrant dad's and scream about how he is sending her back home to live with grandma.

Dude, "immigrant daddy" applies everywhere. It doesn't stop just because you are from America or the UK.

"Deepti- Stop listening to that pop music and listen to Indian Music or daddy will send you to bed"

"Deepti- Don't date any English boys or I will send you back to Mysore"

"Deepti- When you are in the house you will speak Hindi and watch TV shows in Hindi or else daddy will get upset"

Yeah, that's going to be you. Don't be that dad. Be the dad that says "Deepti, I love you, and your mom. I want to make your dreams come true" NOT your dreams. Her dreams.

First of all I'm no immigrant and never will be. Get that straight, I don't plan on living her permanently like immigrants do.
Secondly, if you read my posts, I am not banning Korean, I said it will be spoken about 10% and minimally. English will be spoken for the great majority of the time.
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LHolter



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. This could have been a really neat, kind of comical thread about what living in another culture has taught you. Instead, it turned into some lame thread about men with superiority complexes. Just evidence about how a small percentage can ruin it for the majority Rolling Eyes
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lithium



Joined: 18 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wishfullthinkng wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
I'm still myself. I don't bow (if I do it is very slight, like a nod), I don't see people to the door when they leave and refuse to sit on the floor for dinner.
I'm an alpha damn it! No sell out here.


an alpha who obediently stays in a country he hates because of his wife and an alpha who obediently does what his imaginary sky diety tells him to....

um, you should look up the definition of what an alpha is.

anywho, i say "maybe" a lot for things i WILL do. i catch myself doing it all the time. /fail


Must you disrespect someone's religion. Just because your faith is in the toilet like your future job prospects, it does not require you to be disrespectful.
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optik404



Joined: 24 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lithium wrote:
wishfullthinkng wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
I'm still myself. I don't bow (if I do it is very slight, like a nod), I don't see people to the door when they leave and refuse to sit on the floor for dinner.
I'm an alpha damn it! No sell out here.


an alpha who obediently stays in a country he hates because of his wife and an alpha who obediently does what his imaginary sky diety tells him to....

um, you should look up the definition of what an alpha is.

anywho, i say "maybe" a lot for things i WILL do. i catch myself doing it all the time. /fail


Must you disrespect someone's religion. Just because your faith is in the toilet like your future job prospects, it does not require you to be disrespectful.


Why are you telling someone to not be disrespectful while you're being disrespectful?

HEY DON'T BE MEAN! YOU !@#($*&#$
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge I thought like you regarding English only in the home, but the reality is different. Your wife will speak Korean to your child, its called mother tongue for a reason. Your wifes' family will speak Korean to your child, should your child enter daycare, they will speak Korean.

Now if you can afford to go home every 6 months for a few weeks, your daughter will make great gains in English but I know I'm not really in a position to do that but I probably will anyway, just to make sure my wife doesn't get the idea that living in Korea is cheaper than living in Australia where salaries are much higher. Yes I know when we live in Australia we'll be flying back, so I guess it's business class from Korea and economy to Korea.

I do read to my daughter in Korean to practice my reading and she finds it hilarious. She must have recently told her friends how funny dad sounded when he read Korean because the kids started to make fun of her 바보 father who coudn't speak Korean. She came home and asked my wife why can't dad speak Korean? I don't think my wife gave her my official line of the higher the IQ the lower the ability to learn new languages she might of mentioned it was because he was Australian.

Learning Korean is very difficult and the rewards are not there financially if you stay in Korea, "oh you're a foreigner with a doctorate in Economics from Cambridge and fluent in Korean, you'd make a great English teacher". Yes there are non-teaching western foreigners but the quote was made to a non-teaching friend of mine while we were at a bar. Depending on where home is, Korean may not be much use their either, I know in Australia some Korean speakers jobs are available, but nowhere to the extent that jobs are available for Chinese speakers.

But for your kid some level of Korean is necessary if only to find out what your wife and kid are saying about you, oh and talking to the in-laws, although thats not a strong advantage.

I'm trying to get my wife to leave Korea now, but she's being stubborn and to be honest she doesn't want to go. She'll go for me and for our daughter in 2015 but she doesn't want to leave Korea. For someone that packed up and moved halfway around the world its difficult to understand, especially when you're from the greatest country on Earth, if you ignore the excessive taxation, the high living prices, the floods, fires, and all the animals that can kill you.

No, even if you don't ignore those things its still the best country on Earth.
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wishfullthinkng



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lithium wrote:
wishfullthinkng wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
I'm still myself. I don't bow (if I do it is very slight, like a nod), I don't see people to the door when they leave and refuse to sit on the floor for dinner.
I'm an alpha damn it! No sell out here.


an alpha who obediently stays in a country he hates because of his wife and an alpha who obediently does what his imaginary sky deity tells him to....

um, you should look up the definition of what an alpha is.

anywho, i say "maybe" a lot for things i WILL do. i catch myself doing it all the time. /fail


Must you disrespect someone's religion. Just because your faith is in the toilet like your future job prospects, it does not require you to be disrespectful.



disrespect? i'm sorry, to disrespect something implies it needs to be respected in the first place. life has no room for respecting boogey men and sky deities. that's often called insanity in many places.

and my future job prospects are in the toilet? hardly champ. i have a rather great job thanks, and have had many great jobs.

keep reaching though, maybe the underground cave troll will help you come up with something better.


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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wishfullthinkng wrote:

disrespect? i'm sorry, to disrespect something implies it needs to be respected in the first place. life has no room for respecting boogey men and sky dieties. that's often called insanity in many places.


I respect people's religious beliefs in the, perhaps naive, belief that they respect me and my values and personal life choices.

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First of all I'm no immigrant and never will be. Get that straight, I don't plan on living her permanently like immigrants do.


Plans do not always match results. Strive for your plans, but if catastrophe occurs, don't leave yourself and your family in a hole if something goes wrong. You might end up becoming an immigrant. What if something forced you to immigrant here, a financial difficulty, a medical situation, or heck, a financial opportunity- Maybe suddenly 5 years later you're the S. Korean Minister of tourism. You never know. I think planning as if going back is a certainty and potentially gambling your familial relationship on that is potentially risky. It's your call though.

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Secondly, if you read my posts, I am not banning Korean, I said it will be spoken about 10% and minimally. English will be spoken for the great majority of the time.


So will there be an enforcement mechanism? What about when your daughter wants to watch certain TV shows? Talks to mom in Korean and doesn't listen when you say 'stop'? What about talking to her friends on the phone? When she has friends over? Playing games on the computer? Books she reads? Her homework? What if she wants to be a Korean writer? Become a Korean singer? Become a Korean TV announcer? Are you going to deny her pursuit of those dreams? What if she decides to spend as much time out of the house because of your strict English rules? Are you comfortable with her having an avoiding relationship with you and the home?
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So will there be an enforcement mechanism? What about when your daughter wants to watch certain TV shows? Talks to mom in Korean and doesn't listen when you say 'stop'? What about talking to her friends on the phone? When she has friends over? Playing games on the computer? Books she reads? Her homework? What if she wants to be a Korean writer? Become a Korean singer? Become a Korean TV announcer? Are you going to deny her pursuit of those dreams? What if she decides to spend as much time out of the house because of your strict English rules? Are you comfortable with her having an avoiding relationship with you and the home?


I think for Dodge it's going to take personal experience of raising his daughter for him to realize how difficult it will be regarding her speaking two languages.

Dodge - you make me laugh. Good luck with raising your daughter. I hope it all works out for you.
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Dodge7



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
wishfullthinkng wrote:

disrespect? i'm sorry, to disrespect something implies it needs to be respected in the first place. life has no room for respecting boogey men and sky dieties. that's often called insanity in many places.


I respect people's religious beliefs in the, perhaps naive, belief that they respect me and my values and personal life choices.

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First of all I'm no immigrant and never will be. Get that straight, I don't plan on living her permanently like immigrants do.


Plans do not always match results. Strive for your plans, but if catastrophe occurs, don't leave yourself and your family in a hole if something goes wrong. You might end up becoming an immigrant. What if something forced you to immigrant here, a financial difficulty, a medical situation, or heck, a financial opportunity- Maybe suddenly 5 years later you're the S. Korean Minister of tourism. You never know. I think planning as if going back is a certainty and potentially gambling your familial relationship on that is potentially risky. It's your call though.

Quote:
Secondly, if you read my posts, I am not banning Korean, I said it will be spoken about 10% and minimally. English will be spoken for the great majority of the time.


So will there be an enforcement mechanism? What about when your daughter wants to watch certain TV shows? Talks to mom in Korean and doesn't listen when you say 'stop'? What about talking to her friends on the phone? When she has friends over? Playing games on the computer? Books she reads? Her homework? What if she wants to be a Korean writer? Become a Korean singer? Become a Korean TV announcer? Are you going to deny her pursuit of those dreams? What if she decides to spend as much time out of the house because of your strict English rules? Are you comfortable with her having an avoiding relationship with you and the home?

You are like an annoying little fly keeps buzzing around my head, Steelrails. Let me break it down for you one last time:

My kid can use some Korean in the house, but not to me. She will use English with me. And my wife can speak to my kid in Korean from time to time. But 90% WILL be in English. I don't care if she rebels, dates flower boys or throws fits. It's the law of my house. And my wife has my back and will also enforce it when I am present. When I am not there they can (and probably would regardless, speak in Korean).

Now suck on that and leave it alone. Raise your own family the way you see fit and I will do mine. I don't care about your analysis.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge, where people like me and Seoulman are coming from is from experience.

I have known MANY mixed-culture kids and kids from "immigrant" or "foreign" or whatever term you want to use families.

The native language of the land they are living in usually triumphs UNLESS they live in an ethnic "town". IF you send your daughter to international school and the majority of her friends are native English speakers and all of your family friends are English speakers, then yes, it will probably work.

Barring that, practical experience dictates that the child drifts to the culture and language that surrounds them.

I'd move back home ASAP if you are deeply concerned about this.

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My kid can use some Korean in the house, but not to me. She will use English with me.


Dear me, the world is filled with foreign daddies who have had this attitude and the overwhelming number have distant relationships with their children, who in large part have serious daddy issues. Doubly so for women.

You may get lucky and get a natural angel. I hope so. But please, speaking from experience- be flexible. Or get the heck out of, pardon the pun, Dodge.

And again, positive reinforcement of English usage, not punitive correction for not speaking in English. The obvious solution to rules regarding English and any angry reactions to them using English in a child's mind is to just not talk to you period. Go to their room, shut the door and get away from daddy and his rules.
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radcon



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I respect people who don't repeatedly misspell the word deity.
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Dodge7



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol Steel, you act like my daughter will think of English as the big scary monster that hides under bed. English is respected in this country and she will be praised when she speaks it in and around school and outside in public. That will probably make her want to learn more and keep using it, not shun it and run away from it like you are implying.

And of course I will positively enforce English through games and movies too, but it will also be the language of the household. Why can't both of those ideas work together under one roof? Why would a kid rebel against that?

If it gets too bad I'll move home for a year and stick her in an American school. There's ways around it, but you are acting like English is doomed to fail while living in Korea when I have Russian friends back home as living proof that speaking a different language while living in another country can and does work. The whole family speaks Russian in the house--no English, and they've been in America longer than they have lived in Russia. And do you know why? Because the father can't speak English (Yes, even after 15 years he still cannot speak English). I admire that man.
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