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newb
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| fustiancorduroy wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
Well Koreans mistakenly refer to high school freshmen (or 1st year students) as 1st graders in English.
So the OP was just making the same mistake as Koreans do. |
I don't see why it's a mistake to call first year high school students first graders. That's what they are: 1학년고등학생. You can communicate this idea in English. By American standards, they are 10th graders. But this isn't America, so calling them 10th graders is wrong. |
Actually, 10th graders are called sophomores. |
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Pinehurst
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| If you are doing sports make sure they are English only. Deduct from the score if they speak Korean. Have them take turns doing a play-by-play and video record it for review later. |
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SpiralStaircase
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Pinehurst wrote: |
| Have them take turns doing a play-by-play and video record it for review later. |
Great idea. |
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jjajangmyun
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: way down south!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Threaten to call their moms if they don't show up. Worked for my SAT students. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| mandrews1985 wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
Well Koreans mistakenly refer to high school freshmen (or 1st year students) as 1st graders in English.
So the OP was just making the same mistake as Koreans do. |
I'd hardly call it a mistake though, just not keen on adopting Americanisms for everything especially when the Koreans dont use it. I might call them Year 11s from now on, like back in England. |
Well, there's your problem... |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| newb wrote: |
| fustiancorduroy wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
Well Koreans mistakenly refer to high school freshmen (or 1st year students) as 1st graders in English.
So the OP was just making the same mistake as Koreans do. |
I don't see why it's a mistake to call first year high school students first graders. That's what they are: 1학년고등학생. You can communicate this idea in English. By American standards, they are 10th graders. But this isn't America, so calling them 10th graders is wrong. |
Actually, 10th graders are called sophomores. |
Thank you.
The OP is a moron. Well that might be a bit harsh, but still the OP is adopting a common Korean mistake and probably doesn't correct his students on it.
What if any of his students go to the States for university and are asked what year they are in by someone at a party? If the Korean answers I'm in the second grade they will be met with a puzzled look.
Simply put the OP is unfortunately adopting a common Korean/English translation error like "2 weeks later" or "my condition is not good".
blah, blah, blah blah blah..... |
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MarkArtz
Joined: 21 Mar 2013
Location: Monterey, CA
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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op,
same thing happened to me because although I felt fun at one time, I was becoming stressful for the students.
LSS: I taught Spanish speaking students English and moved on to adults. When I returned to teaching kids, they hated it.
What finally opened them up and moved me away from just being a PE (physical ed) teacher was role-playing. I would dress as a cowboy and we'd learn about animals, farms, and used simple sentences to express what we like about them. I also dressed as Slash, the guitarist, a spy (James Bond) and some other personalities.
I then brought gifts such as pencils or candy. Try role-playing, you can dress as X personality and perform some activities, pretend you're high on coffee and be super energetic in tone, ignore the bad children for a bit.
Hopefully all is well.
--Mark |
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randall020105
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
Location: the land of morning confusion...
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Ouch! you guys really work waaaay too hard!
You have to learn to work smarter... all that energy and time lost on not
knowing your job description and not having proper foundations...
I work way fewer hours and with much less stomach ulcers for lots more p/a.
All the best to you all though. |
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mandrews1985
Joined: 12 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
Thank you.
The OP is a moron. Well that might be a bit harsh, but still the OP is adopting a common Korean mistake and probably doesn't correct his students on it.
What if any of his students go to the States for university and are asked what year they are in by someone at a party? If the Korean answers I'm in the second grade they will be met with a puzzled look.
blah, blah, blah blah blah..... |
What is wrong with you? I'm a moron for adopting a common mistake? By adopting a common Korean mistake you mean, using the standard English system?
I'd insult you back but I think most people can see what kind of person you are. Oh and justifying your 'point' using 'puzzled Americans' as an example is fantastic. If only every point could be justified by puzzling Americans.
EDIT: and thanks to those who had genuine comments on the subject. It was a pretty frustrating week for me, but things are better this week. I have divided the class into 2 groups regardless of what my boss thinks, we go through the same work but I let the smarter students go at their own pace and once they finish they can have self study time, while i sit with the weaker students and spend a lot more time with them.
For group activities I do split them into groups of equal ability as much as possible, encouraging the weaker students to do the physical work while the smarter boys tend to act as advisors to the rest.
There are a lot of little problems with my job but that's always going to be the case I think.
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randall020105
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
Location: the land of morning confusion...
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:11 pm Post subject: meanwhile |
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch... no one's questions get answered.
ADHD should be one other test to be added to the loooong list of medical tests for E2's.
It doesn't take much to puzzle anyone for that matter OP. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| mandrews1985 wrote: |
What is wrong with you? I'm a moron for adopting a common mistake? By adopting a common Korean mistake you mean, using the standard English system? |
No you're a moron because you've adopted the same mistake your students make and now use it among native English speakers on this board.
Using 2nd grade to describe the second year or sophomore of high school or university is simply wrong. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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But I am willing to eat crow and admit I'm the moron if the English, Scottish, Irish, Australians or Kiwis used 2nd grade in that context.
Just to be fair.  |
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nicwr2002
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| newb wrote: |
| fustiancorduroy wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
Well Koreans mistakenly refer to high school freshmen (or 1st year students) as 1st graders in English.
So the OP was just making the same mistake as Koreans do. |
I don't see why it's a mistake to call first year high school students first graders. That's what they are: 1학년고등학생. You can communicate this idea in English. By American standards, they are 10th graders. But this isn't America, so calling them 10th graders is wrong. |
Actually, 10th graders are called sophomores. |
Thank you.
The OP is a moron. Well that might be a bit harsh, but still the OP is adopting a common Korean mistake and probably doesn't correct his students on it.
What if any of his students go to the States for university and are asked what year they are in by someone at a party? If the Korean answers I'm in the second grade they will be met with a puzzled look.
Simply put the OP is unfortunately adopting a common Korean/English translation error like "2 weeks later" or "my condition is not good".
blah, blah, blah blah blah..... |
What are you talking about? Every time I ask Korean students what grade they are in, they respond with "I'm in the first grade of middle school/high school." Do you call a 3rd year middle student here a high school freshman? That would just be a little strange, since they are middle school students here.
I tell the students, if they go to America then they will be considered freshmen in high school. However, in Korea they are not on the same system and therefore are called in a different way. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| nicwr2002 wrote: |
What are you talking about? Every time I ask Korean students what grade they are in, they respond with "I'm in the first grade of middle school/high school." Do you call a 3rd year middle student here a high school freshman? That would just be a little strange, since they are middle school students here.
I tell the students, if they go to America then they will be considered freshmen in high school. However, in Korea they are not on the same system and therefore are called in a different way. |
"I'm in the first grade of middle school/high school."
Nobody in North America says this.
With high school or university it's:
I'm a freshmen
I'm in my first year (or something to that)
Grade is no used. It's as simple as that.
It's like when I ask a student when they're going on vacation and they respond "2 weeks later" (이주후에).
This is correct when speaking Korean, but in English it should be "in two weeks" or "two weeks from now".
I see this 1st grade thing when used to describe the 1st year of high school or university as similar to this. And therefore it should be corrected in the classrooom.
Furthermore, it annoys me when native teachers adpot these same mistakes (which I admit I've also done at times).
btw I'm terrified that I may have made a grammar mistake in this quick response  |
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Location: teacher
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| nicwr2002 wrote: |
What are you talking about? Every time I ask Korean students what grade they are in, they respond with "I'm in the first grade of middle school/high school." Do you call a 3rd year middle student here a high school freshman? That would just be a little strange, since they are middle school students here.
I tell the students, if they go to America then they will be considered freshmen in high school. However, in Korea they are not on the same system and therefore are called in a different way. |
"I'm in the first grade of middle school/high school."
Nobody in North America says this.
With high school or university it's:
I'm a freshmen
I'm in my first year (or something to that)
Grade is no used. It's as simple as that.
It's like when I ask a student when they're going on vacation and they respond "2 weeks later" (이주후에).
This is correct when speaking Korean, but in English it should be "in two weeks" or "two weeks from now".
I see this 1st grade thing when used to describe the 1st year of high school or university as similar to this. And therefore it should be corrected in the classrooom.
Furthermore, it annoys me when native teachers adpot these same mistakes (which I admit I've also done at times).
btw I'm terrified that I may have made a grammar mistake in this quick response |
I mostly agree with what you say but calling him a moron is a bit much. It's hard not to adapt these sorts of things (although saying 1st grade for high school isn't a good example of one that is hard to avoid).
I have to correct myself in the classroom because sometimes it is just easier to get the kids to understand me if I make the same mistakes as them. |
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