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liveinkorea316
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| ttompatz wrote: |
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So I'd be surprised if u can't get that drug here. If u post the name, I can ask a pharmacist that lives in the foreign district. |
It is available (brand name and generic).
It is even cheaper than in the States (by a country mile).
That was never the question or in question.
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Then why did you say getting it in Korea would be 'problematic'? We don't have any threads on here about Korean doctors refusing to treat patients or prescribe them medicine. |
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Charlie Bourque
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| You guys need to lay off him. He isn't just popping Adderall to have a fun time; he needs it to keep his life from falling apart. None of us are psychiatrists, so we have no basis for judgement. |
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Stop being a condescending bigot. Some people require medication to perform tasks that would otherwise be easy for others. There's nothing funny about it.
ADHD is a debilitating disorder for some adults. Granted, it is over-diagnosed in children; however, it is much simpler to diagnose ADHD in adults. It is no different than PTSD or depression -- disorders that usually require both medication and therapy. About a 1/3 of kids with ADHD that can't afford medication end up dropping out of high school. Around 1/20 get a university degree.
So yeah, his life could very well fall apart without the proper medication and treatment. He asked a simple question and already got his answer. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Yes it seems a little information is a dangerous thing in the hands of Dodge and others in this thread. Thank you for reminding us Mr Bourque that all the overreaction about ADHD was in relation to children strictly. I watched a 60 Minutes type doco recently that said something similar that doctors had difficulty diagnosing it below a certain age while others happily did so and that is where the controversy started.
Our OP is in a different category. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
| You guys need to lay off him. He isn't just popping Adderall to have a fun time; he needs it to keep his life from falling apart. None of us are psychiatrists, so we have no basis for judgement. |
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Stop being a condescending bigot. Some people require medication to perform tasks that would otherwise be easy for others. There's nothing funny about it.
ADHD is a debilitating disorder for some adults. Granted, it is over-diagnosed in children; however, it is much simpler to diagnose ADHD in adults. It is no different than PTSD or depression -- disorders that usually require both medication and therapy. About a 1/3 of kids with ADHD that can't afford medication end up dropping out of high school. Around 1/20 get a university degree.
So yeah, his life could very well fall apart without the proper medication and treatment. He asked a simple question and already got his answer. |
we need to have a piece of paper saying we are a psychiatrist to realize an easy to understand concept? i think not.
ptsd is way different from depression and adhd. sure there are legit forms of depression such as seasonal depression (something i severely suffer from) and other depressions with a catalyst such as ptsd and things like bankruptcy, divorce, etc., but most depression and adhd do NOT need meds, they just need people to get their heads on straight.
it's funny you people who advocate drugs when almost no brain-altering drug is fully understood as to how they make someone feel better (or worse as it happens with a lot of anti-depressives). i suppose it's easier to hop about and say drugs are the way when you are too simple minded to realize your brain is powerful enough to change your own mood and focus without the need for drugs.
stop the drugs, stop the bellyaching and start being a responsible and cognizant human being. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| watergirl wrote: |
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So I'd be surprised if u can't get that drug here. If u post the name, I can ask a pharmacist that lives in the foreign district. |
It is available (brand name and generic).
It is even cheaper than in the States (by a country mile).
That was never the question or in question.
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Then why did you say getting it in Korea would be 'problematic'? We don't have any threads on here about Korean doctors refusing to treat patients or prescribe them medicine. |
Getting it means:
- the chance that your employer may find out about it (probably cost you your job if it became general knowledge) or
- immigration may find out about it and then you have MAY also have issues (lied on your visa application = visa fraud). Just because they haven't been agressive about prosecution in the past does not mean they will always be Laissez-faire about it.
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
we need to have a piece of paper saying we are a psychiatrist to realize an easy to understand concept? i think not.
ptsd is way different from depression and adhd. sure there are legit forms of depression such as seasonal depression (something i severely suffer from) and other depressions with a catalyst such as ptsd and things like bankruptcy, divorce, etc., but most depression and adhd do NOT need meds, they just need people to get their heads on straight.
it's funny you people who advocate drugs when almost no brain-altering drug is fully understood as to how they make someone feel better (or worse as it happens with a lot of anti-depressives). i suppose it's easier to hop about and say drugs are the way when you are too simple minded to realize your brain is powerful enough to change your own mood and focus without the need for drugs.
stop the drugs, stop the bellyaching and start being a responsible and cognizant human being. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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Getting it means:
- the chance that your employer may find out about it (probably cost you your job if it became general knowledge) or
- immigration may find out about it and then you have MAY also have issues (lied on your visa application = visa fraud). Just because they haven't been agressive about prosecution in the past does not mean they will always be Laissez-faire about it.
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Actually you are being misleading to the OP because both of what you are talking about in the above quote are NOT happening in Korea at the moment.
You have no reasonable assertion (or facts to base upon) to believe that either of the above cases are imminent or event on the long term horizon. Immigration does not just "find out about" peoples' private medical records and doctors are not in the habit here (if you go to a reputable one which to OP would) of illegally sharing your details.
I would equate what you are doing to scaremongering.
We could go and say that Korean Police COULD be strip searching foreigners and/or deporting them if they smell funny but that is has no reasonable basis for one believing that will happen any time soon. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
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Getting it means:
- the chance that your employer may find out about it (probably cost you your job if it became general knowledge) or
- immigration may find out about it and then you have MAY also have issues (lied on your visa application = visa fraud). Just because they haven't been agressive about prosecution in the past does not mean they will always be Laissez-faire about it.
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Actually you are being misleading to the OP because both of what you are talking about in the above quote are NOT happening in Korea at the moment.
You have no reasonable assertion (or facts to base upon) to believe that either of the above cases are imminent or event on the long term horizon. Immigration does not just "find out about" peoples' private medical records and doctors are not in the habit here (if you go to a reputable one which to OP would) of illegally sharing your details.
I would equate what you are doing to scaremongering.
We could go and say that Korean Police COULD be strip searching foreigners and/or deporting them if they smell funny but that is has no reasonable basis for one believing that will happen any time soon. |
The recent change of government has make a number of changes that directly affect E2 applicants and stricter policies (and enforcement of said policies) are being used (take changing jobs (or more correctly NOT being able to change jobs) without a LOR - even if your visa was canceled).
If the meds show up on the ARC drug test then there ARE implications (including and not limited to being quickly sent home at their own expense) and I would be surprised if Ritalin didn't show up on a drug/tox panel.
It is that old question, "Should I lie and get the job hoping it doesn't get discovered or tell the truth and not?".
ANY history of any mental health issue is grounds under immigration AND MOE policy to deny or revoke a visa (with immediate removal) and/or remove a person from teaching (followed by immigration issues).
Is the gain worth the risk? I leave it to the OP to make their own mind up the the decision is not without risk. This isn't home and there are not the labor protections when the crap-hits-the-fan.
I didn't pass judgement. I just indicated what could and has in the past has happened.
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
Getting it means:
- the chance that your employer may find out about it (probably cost you your job if it became general knowledge) or
- immigration may find out about it and then you have MAY also have issues (lied on your visa application = visa fraud). Just because they haven't been agressive about prosecution in the past does not mean they will always be Laissez-faire about it.
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Actually you are being misleading to the OP because both of what you are talking about in the above quote are NOT happening in Korea at the moment.
You have no reasonable assertion (or facts to base upon) to believe that either of the above cases are imminent or event on the long term horizon. Immigration does not just "find out about" peoples' private medical records and doctors are not in the habit here (if you go to a reputable one which to OP would) of illegally sharing your details.
I would equate what you are doing to scaremongering.
We could go and say that Korean Police COULD be strip searching foreigners and/or deporting them if they smell funny but that is has no reasonable basis for one believing that will happen any time soon. |
The recent change of government has make a number of changes that directly affect E2 applicants and stricter policies (and enforcement of said policies) are being used (take changing jobs (or more correctly NOT being able to change jobs) without a LOR - even if your visa was canceled).
If the meds show up on the ARC drug test then there ARE implications (including and not limited to being quickly sent home at their own expense) and I would be surprised if Ritalin didn't show up on a drug/tox panel.
It is that old question, "Should I lie and get the job hoping it doesn't get discovered or tell the truth and not?".
ANY history of any mental health issue is grounds under immigration AND MOE policy to deny or revoke a visa (with immediate removal) and/or remove a person from teaching (followed by immigration issues).
Is the gain worth the risk? I leave it to the OP to make their own mind up the the decision is not without risk. This isn't home and there are not the labor protections when the crap-hits-the-fan.
I didn't pass judgement. I just indicated what could and has in the past has happened.
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You are scaremongering.
Ritalin leaves the system in a day there is no reason for it to show up in any tests because the OP will simply not take it a day or two prior.
Those changes to visa and immigration process are a wild step from asking doctors to report on patients. If you cannot see that you need to go back and have a little think or leave this OP alone.
What you have told him about how it will be 'difficult' to get his medication here in Korea is 100% false and 100% scareongering.
I would like to take this opportunity to tell the OP that I have a lot of respect for the integrity of doctors I have met here in Korea and O would consider tompatz assertion that they would violate your sacred patient doctor privilege to be a vile slander.
Of course I have heard of it occurring in very small villages here when the doctor knows your boss or when nurses accidentally release test results to your office fax or something stupid but those are restricted to smaller docs. The OP can easily stick with a larger hospital and get proper treatment.
Be careful who you slander buddy. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know anything about these issues. But, don't go to a doctor through your employer, they will be told. Privacy means nothing as you are a pet to have things told over your head to your owner. Want privacy? Go to another doctor across town who speaks English and don't tell him who your employer is. If he asks, say the name of another place. Problem solved. 내과 is a doctor of internal medicine. (Nae Gwa) Closest thing to a general doctor here. |
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asylum seeker
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I have ADHD and I'm into my third year here. I take Ritalin, but I don't need it every day. If I know I have a task that needs to get accomplished, like cleaning my apartment, or grading a multitude of papers that's going to take me hours, I'll take a pill.
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Now this makes me wonder. I dislike cleaning and grading and I put off doing them and get distracted when I try to do them. Does this mean I'm ADHD and I need drugs or does this mean I'm a regular human who is a bit lazy when it come to certain things? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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your brain is powerful enough to change your own mood and focus without the need for drugs.
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Yes, please explain to us the details about how someone with an ailment focuses his mind and changes his mood etc. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Now this makes me wonder. I dislike cleaning and grading and I put off doing them and get distracted when I try to do them. Does this mean I'm ADHD and I need drugs or does this mean I'm a regular human who is a bit lazy when it come to certain things? |
Can you tell the difference between someone looking at you threateningly meaning to kill you and someone who is just aknowledging your presence? If you can't, good luck in your life.
Just because you have no ability to draw basic distinctions which are accepted by science does not mean rational human beings can't. |
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bluethree
Joined: 20 May 2009
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| I love how people with ADHD are just accused of being "lazy" when these big pharma conspiracy theorists can't take 5-10 minutes of time to research things and see just how wrong they are. |
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joeydonuts
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Few Things:
1---The 'experts' on this thread posting about how ADHD is not real, etc. are just another example of the chest-beating which makes this board unbearable sometimes.
2---Ritalin has a half-life of about 3.5 hours in adults and you need to wait 5 half-lifes until 97% of it is out. Wait 2-3 days before being tested and you're fine.
http://adhd.emedtv.com/ritalin/how-long-does-ritalin-stay-in-your-system.html
To the 'experts,' yes we know -- more big pharma lies, etc.
3---In Korea, doctor-patient confidentiality seems to be codified in the legal code. Last year, a doctor was convicted of telling another doc that one of his patients had AIDS
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http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2013/04/09/0302000000AEN20130409003000315.HTML
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Now whether we as E-2 visa holders have different rights regarding this is a question I cannot answer. And there are blog posts detailing violations of this. But again, there's also blog posts arguing that basket weaving is the path to enlightenment.
So, I suppose getting Ritalin from a doctor/pharmacy here is somewhat risky but I've known lots of people who have done it with no problem.
4---In my humble opinion, the way forward for someone with ADHD is to come to Korea with a reasonable amount of medicine with a prescription and then quickly get more as needed and keep the condition to himself. |
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