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Dodge7
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 Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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| The comments ridiculed his students. His face was likely worth a million bucks when I told him that one of the students he was mocking was my niece. |
This is what happens when schools insist on hiring 20 year-olds with no experience.
And then think of all the older, more mature, nurturing people trying to get work here but who can't because they're not americans or not young enough. Crazy. |
He was 36 at the time....and he was British |
Julius should add people without a background in education i.e. licensed teachers. You may get one who still acts like that but the numbers are waaay fewer and far between than the average accountant/business major teaching English over here. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT |
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| That was fine until he started commenting on the students there, including my niece. The comments ridiculed his students. His face was likely worth a million bucks when I told him that one of the students he was mocking was my niece. |
Was he ridiculing the students unjustly? |
1- As another has said: any ridiculing of students by a teacher is flat out wrong. |
That's a disappointing way to get it, but it looks like I have my answer. |
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hiamnotcool
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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I have quite a few mixed kids in my class. 3 of them speak fluent english. I don't really know what else to say except I think they should have free time to read books or watch english movies during my class time. They always seem incredibly bored. I'm not sure if it's because of the language or the experience with different cultures, but they all seem to be a little more mature and intelligent than the other students. I think a few of them struggle with math and science but when it comes to expressing themselves they do very well. There isn't that much I can teach them that they can't teach themselves.
I'm not sure what everyone's situation is with their children at school but if your children are already bilingual you might see if the public or private school could arrange a separate class where they study another language or work on the subjects they have trouble with. Maybe they could attend science or math class twice or something. That would probably be pretty hard to arrange though, just a thought.
I am at a public school, not a hakwon btw.
Oh yeah, and also let them know I know they know the answers to all of my questions. Please....please just let the other kids in class try to struggle through completing a sentence. |
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Unposter
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My kids are in Korean elementary school. They have not had English yet (supposedly starts in 3rd grade) but my son from the first week of school said that there was a FT in his school. I asked my son what is his name and he said he didn't know, so I told my son to ask him next time he saw him. Later in the week, my son told me his name is Patrick. I asked my son if he asked him anything else or if Patrick said anything else to him. He said no, which kind of surprised me because my son is obviously not Korean and if it were me, I would have asked the kid a few more questions, but I don't think of it as a big deal.
But, I am kind of curious what will happen once my sons have English classes.
My sons are shy but they express themselves well for their age. And, I do not doubt they could help translate for a FT but I doubt they would unless asked as they are shy.
They may be fairly fluent in English (and Korean) but no doubt they could use a lot of work with reading and writing.
Personally, I think it is always a good thing to do with advanced students, whether multi-cultural or not. If you have some students who just speak much better than the rest, give them more writing (and reading if you can). There are always ways to motivate and challenge students. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:51 am Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| The comments ridiculed his students. His face was likely worth a million bucks when I told him that one of the students he was mocking was my niece. |
This is what happens when schools insist on hiring 20 year-olds with no experience.
And then think of all the older, more mature, nurturing people trying to get work here but who can't because they're not americans or not young enough. Crazy. |
He was 36 at the time....and he was British |
Julius should add people without a background in education i.e. licensed teachers. You may get one who still acts like that but the numbers are waaay fewer and far between than the average accountant/business major teaching English over here. |
Fair point Dodge. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| geldedgoat wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| That was fine until he started commenting on the students there, including my niece. The comments ridiculed his students. His face was likely worth a million bucks when I told him that one of the students he was mocking was my niece. |
Was he ridiculing the students unjustly? |
1- As another has said: any ridiculing of students by a teacher is flat out wrong. |
That's a disappointing way to get it, but it looks like I have my answer. |
That particular teacher made fun of how his students could not pronounce words in English, he commented on how they dressed, he joked about how stupid they were. In no sane and mature world is this considered ok. A teacher is a adult and needs to act that way.
Venting about a bad class with a colleague is one thing, ridiculing your students is quite another. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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My kids are in Korean elementary school. They have not had English yet (supposedly starts in 3rd grade) but my son from the first week of school said that there was a FT in his school. I asked my son what is his name and he said he didn't know, so I told my son to ask him next time he saw him. Later in the week, my son told me his name is Patrick. I asked my son if he asked him anything else or if Patrick said anything else to him. He said no, which kind of surprised me because my son is obviously not Korean and if it were me, I would have asked the kid a few more questions, but I don't think of it as a big deal.
But, I am kind of curious what will happen once my sons have English classes.
My sons are shy but they express themselves well for their age. And, I do not doubt they could help translate for a FT but I doubt they would unless asked as they are shy.
They may be fairly fluent in English (and Korean) but no doubt they could use a lot of work with reading and writing.
Personally, I think it is always a good thing to do with advanced students, whether multi-cultural or not. If you have some students who just speak much better than the rest, give them more writing (and reading if you can). There are always ways to motivate and challenge students. |
Interesting perspective. Thanks. |
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edwardcatflap
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That particular teacher made fun of how his students could not pronounce words in English, he commented on how they dressed, he joked about how stupid they were. In no sane and mature world is this considered ok. A teacher is a adult and needs to act that way.
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Agreed. And I think that, although teachers do this kind of thing occasionally in the staffroom amongst themselves, it's still a bit distasteful to listen to. The guy you're talking about sounds like a breed apart, however. He started making fun of his students in front of someone before he'd even established who they were and what they were doing at the school? Most sane people would've at least ascertained who they were talking to first. |
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Lucas
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally, I think it is always a good thing to do with advanced students, whether multi-cultural or not. If you have some students who just speak much better than the rest, give them more writing (and reading if you can). There are always ways to motivate and challenge students. |
^ This
I just give two of the kids at my school my Daves ESL user name and password and tell them to read some of these threads and post on them if they want to. |
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Captain Corea
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| My daughter has both a Filipino and a Brit teacher. I've never observed the classes, but my girl has no complaints. So long as they are nice to her, I don't care much beyond that. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:38 am Post subject: |
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That particular teacher made fun of how his students could not pronounce words in English, he commented on how they dressed, he joked about how stupid they were. In no sane and mature world is this considered ok. A teacher is a adult and needs to act that way.
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Agreed. And I think that, although teachers do this kind of thing occasionally in the staffroom amongst themselves, it's still a bit distasteful to listen to. The guy you're talking about sounds like a breed apart, however. He started making fun of his students in front of someone before he'd even established who they were and what they were doing at the school? Most sane people would've at least ascertained who they were talking to first. |
I assume he mouthed off because he felt he could do that with another foreigner. Still, it was wrong but it was just one case or instance. |
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