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Threequalseven
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| I was diagnosed with ADHD at age 18 (and it was quite a long process). Lived life on adderall xr for a year or two, then switched to concerta before finally dropping meds altogether. I don't know if I'd say ADHD is necessarily a "disorder" so much as a set of characteristics that only a small amount of people exhibit. All I have to say is that medication isn't the only way to go about life with those characteristics. After transitioning off meds, I've found life a lot easier. I use the things I learned to do while on adderall (scheduling, hammering out lots of stuff at one time, and so on) in my everyday life now. Maybe I'll drink a Red Bull if I really need to get something done (and I make sure that all my other stuff is taken care of beforehand, so I don't start cleaning the house when I should be reading something important), but usually coffee is enough. I recommend a clean lifestyle over a life of submissiveness to your meds. I hated those off-days, feeling dehydrated, wanting to smoke, and all those other negatives. Best of luck whatever you choose. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Threequalseven wrote: |
| I was diagnosed with ADHD at age 18 (and it was quite a long process). Lived life on adderall xr for a year or two, then switched to concerta before finally dropping meds altogether. I don't know if I'd say ADHD is necessarily a "disorder" so much as a set of characteristics that only a small amount of people exhibit. All I have to say is that medication isn't the only way to go about life with those characteristics. After transitioning off meds, I've found life a lot easier. I use the things I learned to do while on adderall (scheduling, hammering out lots of stuff at one time, and so on) in my everyday life now. Maybe I'll drink a Red Bull if I really need to get something done (and I make sure that all my other stuff is taken care of beforehand, so I don't start cleaning the house when I should be reading something important), but usually coffee is enough. I recommend a clean lifestyle over a life of submissiveness to your meds. I hated those off-days, feeling dehydrated, wanting to smoke, and all those other negatives. Best of luck whatever you choose. |
Whoever was prescribing these meds to you was doing it wrong. You should not have felt "speedy" on adderall if you were taking the right dosage. So either you were prescribed a way too high amount or you saved them up and binged on them. Which was it? Because if you took them everyday at the prescribed amount, your body would have became accustomed to the speedy side effects and would have built a tolerance to it within a week or so and you wouldn't have felt speedy at all anymore--you would skip right to the comedown effect which is what doctors use to bring down the hyper activity. It's cruel really, lol.
If anyone's done coke before you know how crappy you feel when you come down and how you just sit there depressed, quiet. That is what happens when you take adderall at low levels and after your body builds a tolerance to the high--you sit there with just the depressing comedown, and that's why kids hate taking it and is also the reason why I call BS on anyone here NEEDING their legal speed. Nobody seeks out a comedown, they seek the speed and the high. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| Threequalseven wrote: |
| I was diagnosed with ADHD at age 18 (and it was quite a long process). Lived life on adderall xr for a year or two, then switched to concerta before finally dropping meds altogether. I don't know if I'd say ADHD is necessarily a "disorder" so much as a set of characteristics that only a small amount of people exhibit. All I have to say is that medication isn't the only way to go about life with those characteristics. After transitioning off meds, I've found life a lot easier. I use the things I learned to do while on adderall (scheduling, hammering out lots of stuff at one time, and so on) in my everyday life now. Maybe I'll drink a Red Bull if I really need to get something done (and I make sure that all my other stuff is taken care of beforehand, so I don't start cleaning the house when I should be reading something important), but usually coffee is enough. I recommend a clean lifestyle over a life of submissiveness to your meds. I hated those off-days, feeling dehydrated, wanting to smoke, and all those other negatives. Best of luck whatever you choose. |
Whoever was prescribing these meds to you was doing it wrong. You should not have felt "speedy" on adderall if you were taking the right dosage. So either you were prescribed a way too high amount or you saved them up and binged on them. Which was it? Because if you took them everyday at the prescribed amount, your body would have became accustomed to the speedy side effects and would have built a tolerance to it within a week or so and you wouldn't have felt speedy at all anymore--you would skip right to the comedown effect which is what doctors use to bring down the hyper activity. It's cruel really, lol.
If anyone's done coke before you know how crappy you feel when you come down and how you just sit there depressed, quiet. That is what happens when you take adderall at low levels and after your body builds a tolerance to the high--you sit there with just the depressing comedown, and that's why kids hate taking it and is also the reason why I call BS on anyone here NEEDING their legal speed. Nobody seeks out a comedown, they seek the speed and the high. |
The problem with your argument Dodge is that Aderall and Ritalin are recognised as extremely effective for adult sufferers of ADHD. There is alot of scientific evidence supporting that fact. Your hot air about cocain and meth is interesting but on this forum we are no 2yr olds we know the connection except some people need those drugs.
People can overdose on aspirin, paracetamol, beer and various other types of soft medications too buddy. Hey I know a few people who drown their sorrows in beer.
Stict management of a medical condition is a long way from abuse of a drug. Your line of reasoning says more about you than the OP.
Are YOU an alcoholic? Gambler? Addicted to sex? Painkillers? |
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Charlie Bourque
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| Threequalseven wrote: |
| I was diagnosed with ADHD at age 18 (and it was quite a long process). Lived life on adderall xr for a year or two, then switched to concerta before finally dropping meds altogether. I don't know if I'd say ADHD is necessarily a "disorder" so much as a set of characteristics that only a small amount of people exhibit. All I have to say is that medication isn't the only way to go about life with those characteristics. After transitioning off meds, I've found life a lot easier. I use the things I learned to do while on adderall (scheduling, hammering out lots of stuff at one time, and so on) in my everyday life now. Maybe I'll drink a Red Bull if I really need to get something done (and I make sure that all my other stuff is taken care of beforehand, so I don't start cleaning the house when I should be reading something important), but usually coffee is enough. I recommend a clean lifestyle over a life of submissiveness to your meds. I hated those off-days, feeling dehydrated, wanting to smoke, and all those other negatives. Best of luck whatever you choose. |
Whoever was prescribing these meds to you was doing it wrong. You should not have felt "speedy" on adderall if you were taking the right dosage. So either you were prescribed a way too high amount or you saved them up and binged on them. Which was it? Because if you took them everyday at the prescribed amount, your body would have became accustomed to the speedy side effects and would have built a tolerance to it within a week or so and you wouldn't have felt speedy at all anymore--you would skip right to the comedown effect which is what doctors use to bring down the hyper activity. It's cruel really, lol.
If anyone's done coke before you know how crappy you feel when you come down and how you just sit there depressed, quiet. That is what happens when you take adderall at low levels and after your body builds a tolerance to the high--you sit there with just the depressing comedown, and that's why kids hate taking it and is also the reason why I call BS on anyone here NEEDING their legal speed. Nobody seeks out a comedown, they seek the speed and the high. |
Are you saying you've done coke? |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| Threequalseven wrote: |
| I was diagnosed with ADHD at age 18 (and it was quite a long process). Lived life on adderall xr for a year or two, then switched to concerta before finally dropping meds altogether. I don't know if I'd say ADHD is necessarily a "disorder" so much as a set of characteristics that only a small amount of people exhibit. All I have to say is that medication isn't the only way to go about life with those characteristics. After transitioning off meds, I've found life a lot easier. I use the things I learned to do while on adderall (scheduling, hammering out lots of stuff at one time, and so on) in my everyday life now. Maybe I'll drink a Red Bull if I really need to get something done (and I make sure that all my other stuff is taken care of beforehand, so I don't start cleaning the house when I should be reading something important), but usually coffee is enough. I recommend a clean lifestyle over a life of submissiveness to your meds. I hated those off-days, feeling dehydrated, wanting to smoke, and all those other negatives. Best of luck whatever you choose. |
Whoever was prescribing these meds to you was doing it wrong. You should not have felt "speedy" on adderall if you were taking the right dosage. So either you were prescribed a way too high amount or you saved them up and binged on them. Which was it? Because if you took them everyday at the prescribed amount, your body would have became accustomed to the speedy side effects and would have built a tolerance to it within a week or so and you wouldn't have felt speedy at all anymore--you would skip right to the comedown effect which is what doctors use to bring down the hyper activity. It's cruel really, lol.
If anyone's done coke before you know how crappy you feel when you come down and how you just sit there depressed, quiet. That is what happens when you take adderall at low levels and after your body builds a tolerance to the high--you sit there with just the depressing comedown, and that's why kids hate taking it and is also the reason why I call BS on anyone here NEEDING their legal speed. Nobody seeks out a comedown, they seek the speed and the high. |
Are you saying you've done coke? |
I have done research. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| Now this makes me wonder. I dislike cleaning and grading and I put off doing them and get distracted when I try to do them. Does this mean I'm ADHD and I need drugs or does this mean I'm a regular human who is a bit lazy when it come to certain things? |
Can you tell the difference between someone looking at you threateningly meaning to kill you and someone who is just aknowledging your presence? If you can't, good luck in your life.
Just because you have no ability to draw basic distinctions which are accepted by science does not mean rational human beings can't. |
I think you're being a bit oversensitive here; I'm actually trying to be open-minded about this. Perhaps ritalin or adderall really could benefit me? I actually really do find it hard to focus on things like marking, I often feel like standing up and talking to people or feel agitated by sounds around me. I genuinely didn't know people take these drugs irregularly just for getting specific tasks done. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
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| Now this makes me wonder. I dislike cleaning and grading and I put off doing them and get distracted when I try to do them. Does this mean I'm ADHD and I need drugs or does this mean I'm a regular human who is a bit lazy when it come to certain things? |
Can you tell the difference between someone looking at you threateningly meaning to kill you and someone who is just aknowledging your presence? If you can't, good luck in your life.
Just because you have no ability to draw basic distinctions which are accepted by science does not mean rational human beings can't. |
I think you're being a bit oversensitive here; I'm actually trying to be open-minded about this. Perhaps ritalin or adderall really could benefit me? I actually really do find it hard to focus on things like marking, I often feel like standing up and talking to people or feel agitated by sounds around me. I genuinely didn't know people take these drugs irregularly just for getting specific tasks done. |
That is completely normal, you don't have a "condition". Marking is boring and your mind can drift--you don't need to be sped up to complete the task, lol. You act like a 5 year old that can't tie his shoe without a pixie stick. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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your brain is powerful enough to change your own mood and focus without the need for drugs.
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Yes, please explain to us the details about how someone with an ailment focuses his mind and changes his mood etc. |
are you kidding me? it makes me laugh when under-informed people ask me to explain and do the research that THEY need to do, especially when they think they're being clever and pithy by asking for such.
you need to research the placebo affect for a glimpse of how the human mind can help itself without any medication. then ponder, if you can do it subconsciously, don't you think it's possible to do it consciously? (the answer is yes)
obviously there are "ailments" that don't apply to this, but for the largely made-up mental conditions like adhd, you most certainly can. i for one did.
methinks you have a lot of research to do. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| made-up mental conditions like adhd ... |
you want to have a read of the dsm (diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders) vi (or which ever edition is being used now) or quote some scientific research before stating opinion |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 12:16 am Post subject: |
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please note that i said "largely made-up".
i do enjoy the fact you chose to conveniently leave out the word "largely" though.
and during my younger formative years i read the dsm's for fun. yes, i know, i'm a nerd. this doesn't change the fact that adhd is still a highly speculative condition.
i'm sure i'm going to feel silly for asking this but were you aware that aspergers was removed from dsm-v? oh of course you weren't. just because it's in the dsm doesn't mean it's gospel. the dsm is changed quite often.
hell, freud used to use an icepick to lobotomize women for masturbating but most people think he was the final word in psychology.
would anyone else like to defend the use of chemicals on the brain that are not even understood when your brain is already powerful enough to change many situations without them?
edit: misspelling x2 |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 12:57 am Post subject: |
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apologies. i didnt leave out the word 'largely' on purpose.
alot of disorders in mental health are speculative. It doesnt mean they dont need treatment. And from my experience, id say that the majority of people dont want to do what it takes to overcome problems on their own by adjusting their lifestyles, having cbt or whatever or are just incapable. Often, Medication (sometimes self medicating) is the only way to treat or reduce symptoms.
and no, I wasnt aware Aspergers had been removed. Any knowledge as to why that was? It doesnt surprise me though, people like labels alot, especially professionals. the more we learn about people, the more we realise that people dont fit into pigeon holes. so we make more labels and take some away.
Im not sure its a question of wether or not the brain is powerful enough to change many situations. People have social influences etc. and may have abused other chemical in the past leading to the issues that they are trying to address. In those cases, medication is the only way to stabilise someone so that they can function.
I mean, Ive seen some people messed up on medication so badly, that they have to take drugs for the side effects and then more drugs for the side effects of that drug until theyre taking 7 meds. But its not the 1960s anymore, most of these treatments are being researched constantly.
Ive also seen what happens when people are taken off medication and think they are the queen of england and get arrested for trying to break into buckingham palace, again.
I think that is over simplifying the issue of - drugs good vs bad.
you could write a doctorate on this subject if you had the time... |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:25 am Post subject: |
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I can't wait until wishfullthinkng is in the hospital with a serious condition and the doctor comes in and tells him the treatment is that they would like him to "think" himself better.
haha
back in the real world... |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I can't wait until wishfullthinkng is in the hospital with a serious condition and the doctor comes in and tells him the treatment is that they would like him to "think" himself better.
haha
back in the real world... |
your reading comprehension seems to be that of a young child and your joking skills are about at the same level. if i'm in the hospital with a serious condition, then that is COMPLETELY different from adhd.
nice wishing ill on another person though. very mature. while i'd never wish ill on you, i do hope one day you'll start using your brain (i don't really know you but i'm just basing that statement off your last moronic post). i'll let you get back to whatever unimportant tasks you are doing now. |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
I can't wait until wishfullthinkng is in the hospital with a serious condition and the doctor comes in and tells him the treatment is that they would like him to "think" himself better.
haha
back in the real world... |
your reading comprehension seems to be that of a young child and your joking skills are about at the same level. if i'm in the hospital with a serious condition, then that is COMPLETELY different from adhd.
nice wishing ill on another person though. very mature. while i'd never wish ill on you, i do hope one day you'll start using your brain (i don't really know you but i'm just basing that statement off your last moronic post). i'll let you get back to whatever unimportant tasks you are doing now. |
erm, i feel a bit bad now for laughing... |
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