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Soulman



Joined: 02 May 2013

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:18 pm    Post subject: I'm not sure if I'm ready for this Reply with quote

I'm a new graduate with a Bachelors degree in Visual Arts/Art History.

I want to teach but I don't think I'm ready.

I currently reside in Canada and I have dreams of living somewhere scorching hot and tropical (south east Asia comes to mind).
I've always enjoyed and am fascinated by oriental culture, lifestyle and landscape.

I'm fresh out of University with no true academic teaching experience.

I have taught but not in any academic subjects.
I use to be a childrens Karate instructor for 2 years.
I did enjoy that sort of environment but I understand that an academic classroom has much different requirements.

I've been searching these past 5 months for some sort of internship/ job but I can't seem to find anything or get any calls back.

I've just recently (past week) come across job postings on my University's website advertising entry level teaching positions in Korea being offered by placement agencies. (1 year contracts)

They ask for 0 experience as long as you hold a bachelors degree and that English is your primary language.

I'm not too sure what to think of this.
Some of them seem "scammy", some of them don't , all of them look "complicated" and it's kind of overwhelming me due to me not being able to foresee every possible angle and complication that might arise.


I just don't know were to start.
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are a visual arts/history major looking to teach? Why didn't you just go into teaching in college?
Anyway, if you like the hot tropical sun (I do too!) then try Thailand. Korea has wicked cold winters, but hot humid summers.
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Soulman



Joined: 02 May 2013

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
you are a visual arts/history major looking to teach? Why didn't you just go into teaching in college?
Anyway, if you like the hot tropical sun (I do too!) then try Thailand. Korea has wicked cold winters, but hot humid summers.


Up until my last year my career plan / outlook was never clear cut for me. I only decided that teaching might be an option for me around the 2nd half of my last year. I switched majors twice, from music -> criminology -> art.

It's "complicated" to sort out.
But this is were I am now and I need advice/help/opinions, please.

Thank you for recommending a possible living location (I definitely wouldn't mind considering Thailand)
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an anecdote for you:

I came to Korea in 2008 right after graduating. I wasn't sure if I wanted to go into teaching or pursue another field so I figured I'd do a year in Korea. After three years in Korea I went back to Canada to do my B. Ed. and am on my way to teach at an international school starting in September.

It's a great way to determine whether the international lifestyle and teaching are a good fit for you. Keep in mind that your teaching workload and expectations are far simpler than those of certified home country or international school homeroom teachers.
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Cacille



Joined: 05 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soulman I can understand your idea that the jobs sound too good to be true or scammy. That was my EXACT first thought when I came across an ad on Craiglist about teaching in China. Upon looking into it a bit more, I found Korea to be a bit better for me. So I started on the paperwork, asked people questions, joined these forums and others, and did a TON of research.
I came to Korea last year and I plan to stay 3, possibly 4 years so I can pay off my bills. It's not a scam, as long as you do your research. These forums and Waygook.org are great places to research. Plus look at "Teach in Korea" websites of different types. This website has a huge amount of jobs listed, none of them scams, but not all of them good jobs. Some are great. Some are "doable, soso". Some are outright horrible, in which case you leave, get another job, and see if that one is also horrible, soso, or better than your last job. Or, if you're lucky and you've got a TEFL, you can try for a public school position which is Definitely a decent paying, stable job (Gotta watch out for your coworkers though. Some schools will love ya, some might not - but you're from canada so you'll have a bit of an easier time than some here).

Are you ready to uproot your life? Depends on you. It is just a year, or longer if you want but you are under NO obligation to teach for longer than a year. You can travel a bit, you can pay off some bills here in that year. You can go back and have a bit of confidence and worldly experience and quite possibly a better outlook on what you do and do NOT want to do for a career.
Is it warm here? No, warmer than canada though. It's similar to the middle usa, chicago, etc in terms of temperature extremes. What you might want to plan is do a year in Korea, and then go to Thailand from there, having paid off your bills cause Thailand does not pay quite as much as Korea does.
Complications and problems? Sure, there are some. It's a part of life, you'll have em, you do your research on them to figure out the best solution, then implement the solution and see what new thing arises from that. As long as you don't do anything obviously illegal, you'll be fine in most Asian countries, and if you go in with a touch of knowledge and respect, you'll be great.
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jjajangmyun



Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: way down south!

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea man do it.
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silkhighway



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A penny for my thoughts? Jump in and learn to swim, and have enough money for a plane ticket home in case you really need to use it. What's the worst that could happen? A story to have a laugh about with your friends over a beer about that awful Korean experience you had? It'll most likely work out or it will point you in the right direction.

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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a CELTA first. Then you'll be ready.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definately get a CELTA first. That is good advice. A CELTA will teach you so much about how to teach more effectively.
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silkhighway



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
Get a CELTA first. Then you'll be ready.


Nahh..do a year first before dropping actual coin and commitment to entering the field. Take advantage of the fact that you DON'T have to do this to work in Korea.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without knowledge about teaching it will be hard to control the class (Korean students are becoming increasingly rude; good lessons may help to mitigate this). Also, it's a good feeling to teach well rather than wasting the students' time and at the same time feeling like you don't know what you're doing.
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silkhighway



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Without knowledge about teaching it will be hard to control the class (Korean students are becoming increasingly rude; good lessons may help to mitigate this). Also, it's a good feeling to teach well rather than wasting the students' time and at the same time feeling like you don't know what you're doing.


Ahh whatever...I have a ridiculous amount of credentials when it comes to education, and yes, I've learned a thing or two during those programs, but nothing that matches actual classroom experience. CELTA or not, you are probably not going to be the world's greatest English teacher your first year. So what..be willing to learn, don't be a know-it-all, get along with the people you work with, be likeable but firm with your students , treat every day as a fresh start, and you'll be 90% there.
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The King of Kwangju



Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: I'm not sure if I'm ready for this Reply with quote

Soulman wrote:
all of them look "complicated" and it's kind of overwhelming me due to me not being able to foresee every possible angle and complication that might arise.

In my opinion this is the first thing you need to get over, if you want to live overseas.

When you first get to Korea, even buying a pack of gum is going to be complicated and unpredictable.

If this bothers you, then expect to be bothered. Otherwise, best to stay home, at least for now.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

silkhighway wrote:

Ahh whatever...I have a ridiculous amount of credentials when it comes to education,


A lot of education credentials do not actually show you how to teach.

Sounds bizarre but studying theory, child development, philosophy of education and even being a teachers assistant will not actually adequately prepare you for the classroom.

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and yes, I've learned a thing or two during those programs, but nothing that matches actual classroom experience.


Exactly.

This is where CELTA comes in. Not only do you have to teach to actual foreign students in real colleges, you receive criticism and guidance from top trainers in tandem.


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CELTA or not, you are probably not going to be the world's greatest English teacher your first year.


Yes, but there's a big difference between beginners who have taken the CELTA and those who haven't.

People who haven't are still making basic mistakes after two years in a hagwon. Because they never got a proper foundation to build on.

Seriously. Elemental stuff, like writing in large letters on the board and not obscuring it with your body so that students can read and see it properly. The amount of time I see newbies who haven't bothered to take a tefl missing basic rules is astounding. And they never get what they're doing wrong, and they won't be told. Rolling Eyes
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i must admit, id done some lecturing at uni and at a mountain guides training school before coming here and it didnt prepare me much for teaching in korea.

What did though, was my tefl course because it showed me how to play games and keep kids occupied. i also took a look at my grammar skills. Following the books was easy, it was all the other stuff that i hadnt thought about.
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