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seoulshock
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| But those attacking him make a great culture seem weak. |
Which culture are you refering to as "great"? Korean? Surely you must be joking. Korean culture has contributed absolutely nothing to humanity's accumulated knowledge base. Zero. Nada. Even today, having borrowed so much from the West, it still has only a thin veneer of civilization. Scratch under the surface and you have a nation of peasants in suits. Sorry to be harsh, but saying something as ludicrous as calling Korean culture "great" is just asking for it.
The silliest statement on Daves in a long time. |
You mad, bro? |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| But those attacking him make a great culture seem weak. |
Which culture are you refering to as "great"? Korean? Surely you must be joking. Korean culture has contributed absolutely nothing to humanity's accumulated knowledge base. Zero. Nada. Even today, having borrowed so much from the West, it still has only a thin veneer of civilization. Scratch under the surface and you have a nation of peasants in suits. Sorry to be harsh, but saying something as ludicrous as calling Korean culture "great" is just asking for it.
The silliest statement on Daves in a long time. |
I assume that you're talking about your own statement. Please read the following quote from Japanese Admiral Togo Heihachiro:
"It may be proper to compare me with Nelson, but not with Korea�s Yi Sun-sin, for he has no equal. "(The Imjin War, by Samuel Hawley, pg. 490)
Korea has greatness as does any civilisation in the world, that's not to say that they're perfect.
The Great King Sejong, the civilising influence on Japan, the printing press and yes Admiral Yi Sun-sin, Korea has many great achievements. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| But those attacking him make a great culture seem weak. |
Which culture are you refering to as "great"? Korean? Surely you must be joking. Korean culture has contributed absolutely nothing to humanity's accumulated knowledge base. Zero. Nada. Even today, having borrowed so much from the West, it still has only a thin veneer of civilization. Scratch under the surface and you have a nation of peasants in suits. Sorry to be harsh, but saying something as ludicrous as calling Korean culture "great" is just asking for it.
The silliest statement on Daves in a long time. |
As opposed to America, the UK or South Africa, with their hundreds of years of murdering, raping, oppressing natives... and of course Americas recent invasions of any middle eastern country...
Korea industrialized 30 years ago, give them a bloody chance. Before that they endured the Japanese sitting on their head for a few hundred years not to mention a few famines...
They are contributing now, mostly in the field of tech. Ban Ki Moon is head of the U.N. Plenty of Korean footballers in Soccer. I'm sure they're working their way into the medical field too.
Not that they have to contribute internationally to be considered 'great'.
Hell, if they don't go around colonizing and invading I think they deserve to be called 'great' over whatever country you're thinking of. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
Every culture has greatness in certain things. I know that kind of relativisim isn't popular around this place.
You could ask the same "what has this culture contributed" of many cultures and come up empty handed but still refer to the as "Great". |
I wouldn't refer to them as great then.
That PC equality, let's not hurt anyone's feeling stuff. I don't know how you could be relativist about this? Look around computers, cars, TVs, planes, trains - to pretend that Korea contributed to their development is laughable. Name a modern thing in Korea, that wasn't first manufactured overseas? I don't mean a cultural item, like Yut Nori, I mean mechanical. |
They may not have invented them, but they have certainly been instrumental in delivering them to the masses.
Is mass distribution any less significant than invention? |
Yes.
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| Oh and by the way, since a great many things invented by the West over the last 1000 years were based off of Middle Eastern or East Asian inventions and discoveries, why don't you apply that same standard to those contributions? |
I do, those were great civilizations. But Korea wasn't one of them. By calling it "East Asia", are you trying to get Korea credit for Chinese inventions?
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| Just as the West took those things and developed them without inventing them, so to now is Korea contributing to the development and distribution of things that it has taken from the outside world. |
Like what?
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| And again, for someone who had nothing to do with those things, I don't see why you are getting so puffed up over them and acting like you have some kind of claim over them anymore than a Korean person does. |
Where did I claim credit? I credit countries that did something, it isn't because I'm from their culture. (For example, I'd say China was a great culture, same with Egypt.) [But an American talking about their history is as legit as a Korean talking about theirs.] |
Korea was the first country to have a metallic movable type printing press. What made Gutenberg's great was that it took printing to the masses.
Which was more important? Korea's invention or Gutenberg's mass distribution?
Similarly now with technology, Korea is contributing to the world by aiding in the mass distribution of electronics and automobiles.
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The Ionian philosophers and mathematicians contributed the ideas that formed the basis of Greek and then western, then eastern intellectual development in mathematics and chemistry etc.
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Who in turn had been influenced by Persian, Egyptian, Hebrew, Thracian, etc. peoples.
The point is that saying "They just copy what the west does" or the west brought all of this up and other cultures somehow "owe the west" is just as ridiculous. The fact is that cultures influenced each other with their contact.
Also to be noted is that many of those inventions did not come along with an equivalent advance in morals as Martin Luther King's "Guided Missiles and Misguided Men" statement attests to. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:14 am Post subject: Re: It's not racism - it's reverse racism! |
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| Cho said the government �overprotected� immigrants causing some Koreans to feel they were being reversely discriminated against. |
Hmm, I'm not sure I even understand what is going on in this article because I haven't sucked down my morning coffee yet...
But is this the same sort of thing as how in the USA black/mexicans with lower grades get into college and with lower skills get jobs? Essentially "reverse discriminating" against whites? |
No...it's not...at all.
What happens in the U.S. are minority groups being given some breaks to get into universitites because they were and are historically oppressed.
Korea imports labor because their own labor has simply become too expensive. As much as this group complains, very few Koreans are willing to do DDD work anymore. It's a basic function of population versus economics.
If this anti-immigrant group was actually interested in *answers* they'd be addressing why Korea has such an obscenely low birth-rate. |
Those illegal mexicans that move up north to work US farms for crap pay would tend to disagree with your view on US giving "breaks" to them...but hey. |
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