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beison



Joined: 28 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:39 pm    Post subject: Seoul National vs Korea vs SKK vs Yonsei MBA programs Reply with quote

Hello everyone, I've got a specific question I don't believe has ever been asked, and hoping to get some good insight on!

I have made up my mind to go to get an MBA in Korea. I know many on this board don't view this as the best choice for graduate work, however that's what I'm going to do.

I have applied to 4 schools for their "Global MBA programs" and expect to be accepted into all of them: Seoul National University, Yonsei University, Korea University, and Sungkyungkwon university. I believe they are all pretty good, however I don't have a lot of experience comparing them to each other. Since the MBA's value is really quite dependant on the individual's goals, I personally would like to work in the Korean business environment in small-midsized firms, and then move to entrepreneurship in the international business space.

Lets say we have a perfect world where they all cost the same, which do you all think would be the best choice?


-SKK is highest in the Financial Times rankings at 51st

-Yonsei use to be in the Financial Times, however recently has dropped off and now is in the Economist's rankings--also prestigious

-Korea University just recently got onto the Financial Times rankings at 86th

-Seoul National University is on nobody's rankings, however it's the best Korean university at the undergraduate level so I wonder if this translates to their business school at all?

Thanks again for any advice you can offer!
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toby99



Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea, never met anyone that bothered to get an MBA here- Korean or waygook. I did hear from a Korean friend that the SKY label doesn't carry as much panache outside of undergrad, so I wouldn't necessarily assume SKY are the best (sounds like you aren't). Have you talked with anyone who completed the programs? Met with faculty? If you still can't decide after researching I'd go with whatever is cheapest after scholarships. Good luck.
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beison



Joined: 28 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the quick reply toby, yeah it's definitely a combinations of reasons I want to do the mba in Korea. I'm actually coming back over from working for a while in the states. Namely Korean language ability, interest in Asian business, and an ease of entry into the markets due to the new FTA agreement played a part. Also it's hard to make true global connections at a program stateside.

But yeah, I have some connections that are currently students in some of the programs, but I'd like a few more opinions prior to making a decision. Anyone with experience in this will get some extreme gratitude from me if they share!
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my MBA at Yonsei's GSIS, but that was back in the mid-late 90s and there were comparatively fewer options. Yonsei's program was great and has gotten even better. Plus, I had planned on going on for my Ph.D. in the U.S. anyway (which I did, by the way), and I knew that they had had some success placing students in highly ranked US doctoral programs. I figured that if I did my Ph.D., not a lot of people would even ask where I did my MBA so it had a major cost advantage to boot.

Like you, I was interested in Korean business and Asian business systems, and I wanted to continue studying 'real' Korean as I had an undergrad major in Korean (along with international econ and business)

Long story short? If I were choosing right now, I'd have to say I'd go with one of SKK's joint MBAs with either Indiana or MIT; one year here, one year there, and connections in both programs and countries. What's not to like? SKK has a top-rate reputation in Korea for its business program, and you'd get the recognition that comes with the dual degree from the US institution.

If for some reason you just want to do the whole shebang in Korea, then I'd say go for Yonsei's GSIS. They have developed a great network and have some high-speed professors. Fun place to study, too, both in terms of the university and in terms of the neighborhood in general.

Just my 2 cents. Best of luck to you.
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Waygeek



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you guys do your MBA in TESOL? (Stupid question, probably) Any chance any of these colleges letting someone do a masters with them if they got a 2:2 Degree? Didn't really dig my first career choice but ploughed through anyway Laughing I must prefer teaching.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MBA = Master's of Business Administration. No TESOL programs at GSIS. Think there are som MA programs at K universities, but most people just do theirs distance.
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deizio



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waygeek wrote:
Did you guys do your MBA in TESOL? (Stupid question, probably) Any chance any of these colleges letting someone do a masters with them if they got a 2:2 Degree? Didn't really dig my first career choice but ploughed through anyway Laughing I must prefer teaching.


Having a 2:2 (for those unfamilar with the UK system, this is roughly like being a solid C student and won't get you into the better jobs or grad programs without something else to lean on) isn't really an issue here unless the school is extremely fussy and has experience with the British degree classifications. If your transcripts show percentages then you might have some explaining to do about the differences between the British and American systems (be creative), but that's an issue even if you get a first. A British 2:2 is also an "honours" degree, which you can make the most of.

If you jump through all the hoops and come off well in the interview there are probably aren't many (or any) MA / MBAs here that are closed to candidates who gained their BA in a legit western university purely on account of their grades. If you have a weak GPA in a vanilla subject from a no-name school, have nothing going for you in terms of work / life experience and phone in the application and interview you might get rejected at the better places, but even then...


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beison



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:

...SKK has a top-rate reputation in Korea for its business program, and you'd get the recognition that comes with the dual degree from the US institution...



See that's the thing I actually don't understand--I reached out to my Korean salary-man contacts and asked for their advice, specifically pertaining to the perceived brand value of the different MBA programs in Korea. They were kind enough to put it to a poll with their coworkers in a couple different offices and the decision that came back was that SKK was at the bottom of the list of those 4.
One of my office-worker contacts went so far as to say that the situation was ironic because even though the rankings and world perception of SKK is that it is better than the other programs in Korea, the perception of SKK inside Korea is that even though it is a good program for an MBA, the other three are better.

They say Seoul National University is the best. But every english resource I can find points to either Yonsei, Korea University, or SKK as better options than SNU.

So after extensive research...... I'm more stumped than I was before.

That's why I'm hoping some people with actual experiences with the different MBA programs could provide some insight.

As always, thanks for the help guys.


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toby99



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are these MBA programs taught in English or Korean?
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beison



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

all are 100% english programs
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salutbonjour



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beison wrote:
PRagic wrote:

...SKK has a top-rate reputation in Korea for its business program, and you'd get the recognition that comes with the dual degree from the US institution...



See that's the thing I actually don't understand--I reached out to my Korean salary-man contacts and asked for their advice, specifically pertaining to the perceived brand value of the different MBA programs in Korea. They were kind enough to put it to a poll with their coworkers in a couple different offices and the decision that came back was that SKK was at the bottom of the list of those 4.
One of my office-worker contacts went so far as to say that the situation was ironic because even though the rankings and world perception of SKK is that it is better than the other programs in Korea, the perception of SKK inside Korea is that even though it is a good program for an MBA, the other three are better.

They say Seoul National University is the best. But every english resource I can find points to either Yonsei, Korea University, or SKK as better options than SNU.

So after extensive research...... I'm more stumped than I was before.

That's why I'm hoping some people with actual experiences with the different MBA programs could provide some insight.

As always, thanks for the help guys.


Because "SNU is the best" is the same thing at "Chuncheon has the best ttalkgalbi". It is repeated often enough that it becomes true to Koreans. In itself, that's not a bad thing as it creates a very definite order of what's better and what isn't in a society that likes to quantify success. On the other hand, if you go abroad you will just call it "studying in Korea" so its important to learn as much as possible rather than focusing on what Koreans consider the best. Furthermore, as a foreigner in Korea you will be judged as a foreigner so by different standards.

That said, SNU is the most boring university and a bus away from the campus are some of the most boring neighborhoods in Seoul. Yonsei has sinchon within stone-throwing distance and SKK is close enough to a fun neighborhood.

You will never meet someone who has attended two different MBA's, yet alone four, yet alone in Korea. Heck, you'd be lucky to meet a foreigner from each of those MBAs. So it becomes more about luck of the draw, I'd just pick on emotion.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why I suggested SKK's DUAL DEGREE program. Ask your company buddies again, but ask if an MBA from MIT or Indiana ranks at or below even the SKY schools? And if you find that SKK isn't given a lot of 'street cred' here, imagine the dumfounded expressions back in N. America or Europe. THAT'S why you'd want the dual degree; TWO MBA'S, one from here, one from the U.S.

Everyone here is programmed to say that SNU is tops, but you have to make up your own mind. Seriously, get on the subway and go visit these schools. You can't make up your mind based on opinions from an esl board! I'll stand by my Yonsei recommendation. Korea University? Maybe as good as Yonsei (but I've never actually heard anything about it!), without the international exposure of Yonsei. Yonsei just seems like a better domestic hedge.
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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a number of foreigners with MBA degrees from Korean universities who are quite unemployed right now.
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beison



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
I know a number of foreigners with MBA degrees from Korean universities who are quite unemployed right now.


Would you be willing to put me in contact with them? I'd love to know which schools they went to and pick their brains to hear about their experiences.



As far as me getting on the subway to visit each school, although I would love to do this and it would be the ideal situation, it'd be quite difficult to do since I have lived in the US for the past 2.5 years. That's why I'm trying to branch out to learn from as many different past/present students' experiences as possible.

I do think the dual degree would be a good option, however due to my personal situation, I don't think it will be possible, so I'm focusing on only the local, fully Korean-taught MBA programs.

Basically in my research up to this point, it seems that the programs that offer the best current global MBA educational experience are either Yonsei's global MBA, or SKK's full time MBA. I suppose I'm just trying to learn a little bit more about both of these programs, as well as validate that these are the two best programs in Korea I could attend.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
I know a number of foreigners with MBA degrees from Korean universities who are quite unemployed right now.


I wonder if any foreigner who completed a Korean MBA got a non-contract job in Korea not related to English teaching?

And does a Korean MBA have any goodwill in your home country?

[Off topic, but I'm curious if a non-gyopo has ever got a non-contract job in this country; I've never heard of one.]
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