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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| If foreigners were demonized by most of Korea's national media, there would not be 20 000+ foreign teachers in Korea today nor would tthat number have more than tripled in 10 years. |
English is the most useful language in the history of civilization. (Conversely, Korean is spoken by less than 1% of the world's population.) Koreans need English. It's not a choice. |
Yes it is.
There are many ways to approach the issue. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Try naming any profession that hasn't faced scrutiny and hysteria from any media news agency around the world.
You can find a hit piece on any industry and shady practices and all have been done at one point or another by any media agency that releases "investigative" reports.
Korean media does hit pieces on Korean teachers and other professions. Why do you believe NETs should be exempt from that same scrutiny that Korean teachers receive? |
Exactly.
In fact for each "hit piece" concerning foreigners you can typically find tons more concerning Koreans caught doing something illegal or bad. In fact, Korean media will HOUND Koreans caught doing certain things and not stop at one report.
Los my argument IS factual as it is based on actual evidence (my access to Korean media in Korean). Your position seems to be based on what you patched together online from English language media in Korea.
So, if MOST NATIONAL media are hunting for foreigners and demonizing them, how do you explain the fact the number of E2 teachers nearly TRIPLED in 10 years? how do you explain the foreigner support services that have grown in number over the years, the increasing access to support for FTs?
Surely a NATIONAL MEDIA that demonized FTs would have had the OPPOSITE effect no?
Just because some reports are aired or published it does not follow this is a NATIONAL MEDIA issue. I suspect however that you are not interested in an actual discussion that is anything else than one dimensional on this issue. This is too bad as you seem like an intelligent person that is capable of discernment. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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So are they hounding that adjosshi who pleasured himself in front of
the girls' classroom? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| In fact for each "hit piece" concerning foreigners you can typically find tons more concerning Koreans caught doing something illegal or bad. |
If, for every ONE negative news piece on Western English teachers there were ONE THOUSAND negative pieces on Koreans...well...NETs would still be getting a disproportionate amount of negative attention (and they are; that is the issue here) because Western English teachers make up only a miniscule percentage of the population. As for why there are more E-2s than before, Korea is getting richer (while NETs are not), meaning more Koreans can afford to hire them. Also more people learn about Korea as time goes by, and more people are registered as E-2s rather than working illegally off the record (as was so common in the past). |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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It's not just the disproportionate number of negative stories about foreigners (not merely NETs, whoever thinks it's only NETs only is a rather self-centered person) vs. the number of negative stories about Koreans, but also the lack of positive vs. negative reporting. That type of bias in itself creates a very negative perception of the immigrant presence in Korea in the minds of the local population.
Furthermore, one also has to keep in mind that there are instances where the same crime is reported rather differently depending on the race of the suspect/convict. While foreign pedophiles are evil and depicted as such via reporting and the use of comic-book villain images in the newspapers, which seem to suggest that a great portion of NETs may easily be running from the law into the safe haven that is Korea, Korean pedophiles are more likely to be the victims of sexual addiction syndrome (there is at least one example of that).
The crime statistics analysis by the media is also something to behold, but alas, I won't go there.
Would you like to know how bias may manifest itself in the news media in order to change the public's perception? Learn critical discourse analysis and then we can have a discussion. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| In fact for each "hit piece" concerning foreigners you can typically find tons more concerning Koreans caught doing something illegal or bad. |
If, for every ONE negative news piece on Western English teachers there were ONE THOUSAND negative pieces on Koreans...well...NETs would still be getting a disproportionate amount of negative attention (and they are; that is the issue here) because Western English teachers make up only a miniscule percentage of the population. As for why there are more E-2s than before, Korea is getting richer (while NETs are not), meaning more Koreans can afford to hire them. Also more people learn about Korea as time goes by, and more people are registered as E-2s rather than working illegally off the record (as was so common in the past). |
I asked Patrick to name one national newspaper in S. Korea that hasn't demonized Eng. teachers(besides the one I already named) but he couldn't do it.
The reason for the increase in teachers is because it is they who know that S. Korea's media is largely fair, truthful, and balanced when reporting about Eng. teachers. Those new Eng. teachers know, just like Patrick how it "IS." It's just Eng. teachers like you and me who don't know like Patrick and the new Eng. teachers. 
Almost every national newspaper(except Hankyoreh, to name one) gave the hate group formerly called 'Anti-English Spectrum' the platform to demonize Eng. teachers.
The link below shows how (un)fair and (un)balanced the Korean media is...
Comparison of articles about sex crimes by Korean teachers and the most recent(deportation of suspect to America) case.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2013/05/comparison-of-articles-about-sex-crimes.html |
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Los my argument IS factual as it is based on actual evidence (my access to Korean media in Korean). Your position seems to be based on what you patched together online from English language media in Korea. |
The link Los provided above would seem to be far more factual than anything you've produced. He's provided evidence to back up his opinions. Where is yours? |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Up and down the 6 line
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Los my argument IS factual as it is based on actual evidence (my access to Korean media in Korean). Your position seems to be based on what you patched together online from English language media in Korea. |
The link Los provided above would seem to be far more factual than anything you've produced. He's provided evidence to back up his opinions. Where is yours? |
An blog written by an individual with a biased opinion of the topic, with information based on that individual's Google searches is considered FACTUAL???? Wow. |
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| An blog written by an individual with a biased opinion of the topic, with information based on that individual's Google searches is considered FACTUAL???? Wow. |
It's more factual than anyone else, including you, has provided. So instead of being so condescending and dismissive why don't you show us some evidence to support your opinions? |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| The Grumpy Senator wrote: |
An blog written by an individual with a biased opinion of the topic, with information based on that individual's Google searches is considered FACTUAL???? Wow. |
Newspaper story links/video clips of news reports..... are factual evidence, no? Unless..... we are in the fox news zone where opinions and dubious claims are by far more important/credible than the truth.
I'm starting to think that this is the Bill O'Reilly's no spin zone. The arguments used by the defenders of the Korean media are quite similar. The question is: How does one have a serious discussion with ignorant/oblivious (in some instances purposely so) people? It's a tough one. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Saw this on another site:
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Had a message from a friend Friday night...
"Were you filmed by KBS?"
"Yes...maybe....can't remember when"
"Did you write 'rhythm' on the board?"
"Sounds familiar...why?"
"They've just arrested that American paedo and they've used your footage when showing generic teachers in Korea."
DAFQ?????
And, true enough, there I was on the news, in the story, face blurred out but voice still clear and for those that know / knew me, it is very obviously me.
Film was shot about four years ago and was a piece about foreign language high schools.
Straight on the phone to KBS who called back. Wife got shitty talking about defamation etc, especially as a teacher linked with that story. They apologised. They took it down before the next broadcast. On the phone to a lawyer here who said if they hadn't taken it down law suit would have been perfectly acceptable. Friend in Korea thinks I could easily take them to court over it.
Can't fucking believe that they just dig out any old piece of footage with a long nose teacher and then use it in a piece like that...if I had been in Korea I think I might well have pursued a law case against them...... |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 3:10 am Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan wrote:
In fact for each "hit piece" concerning foreigners you can typically find tons more concerning Koreans caught doing something illegal or bad.
If, for every ONE negative news piece on Western English teachers there were ONE THOUSAND negative pieces on Koreans...well...NETs would still be getting a disproportionate amount of negative attention (and they are; that is the issue here) because Western English teachers make up only a miniscule percentage of the population. |
Agreed!!! |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| Los my argument IS factual as it is based on actual evidence (my access to Korean media in Korean). Your position seems to be based on what you patched together online from English language media in Korea. |
The link Los provided above would seem to be far more factual than anything you've produced. He's provided evidence to back up his opinions. Where is yours? |
the link provided proves one thing: SOME reports were published or aired in SOME media outlets which is EXACTLY what I am saying.
These reports when they do happen are hit pieces of the lowest order. On the flip side the link used by Los proposes a faulty comparison because frankly Korean media DOES report sex crimes by Koreans and does so extensively. the number of reports despite what the link implies) dwarf those made about foreigners and that is completely logical as Koreans will commit more crimes than foreigners in Korea due to sheer numbers.
Now does a report about a foreigner committing a sex crime STAND OUT more? You bet it does and the reason for that is PAINFULLY OBVIOUS: foreigners stand out in Korea due to simple and obvious demographics.
Anyway, if Los considers a blog entry to be factual evidence then, so be it. |
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maximmm
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, if Los considers a blog entry to be factual evidence then, so be it. |
It's not the blog that's the factual evidence, it's the news report links discussed in the said blog that are the factual evidence. I think it is one of the very few blogs which actually analyzes not only English language news outlet reporting but also the Korean language ones, hence the reason why I often refer to that blog.
One has a simple choice - refer to the blog which has actual links to the biased stories in the Korean media, or refer to what PatrickBusan said, who is clearly an avid watcher of the Korean news (being able to watch most of the news outlets simultaneously) and is thus able to conclude that most Korean news outlets do not, in fact, demonize foreigners in Korea at various points.
By the way, there is absolutely nothing wrong with reporting on the pedophile (a suspect at that) being caught in Korea. It's the manner in which the reports were made that is the issue (again, check the GOPF blog for reference).
Then again, trying to convince someone here that Korean media is biased against foreigners is like trying to convince a fox news fan that he/she may be better off watching a different news channel - I don't think it is possible in a short period of time (years perhaps, or longer, and even that is unlikely since fox news attracts a very specific demographic). |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| I think foreigners demonize each other far more on Dave's than the Korean media ever does... |
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