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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: What Is Pat Buchanan Up To Now? Reply with quote

Race In America: Requiem For A Grand Old Party

This brings us back around to the Electoral College.

After Richard Nixon cobbled together his New Majority, the GOP carried 49 states in 1972 and 1984, 44 states in 1980 and 40 in 1988. In four elections � 1972, 1984, 1988 and 2004 � the Republican Party swept all 11 states of FDR�s �Solid South.�

Such were the fruits of that evil Southern Strategy.

But when conservatives urged Bush 1 to declare a moratorium on legal immigration in 1992 and build a security fence, the politically correct Republican establishment fought tooth and nail to keep the idea out of the platform.

So, where are we?

Eighteen states, including four of the seven mega-states � California, New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania � have gone Democratic in six straight elections. Two others, Florida and Ohio, have gone Democratic twice in a row. And white folks are now a minority in the last mega-state, Texas.

In Ohio, which produced seven Republican presidents, more than any other state, Republicans are dropping out, and may be dying out.

�Eight years ago, blacks and whites voted at about the same rate (in Ohio),� write Balz and Mellnik. In 2008, �the participation rate for whites dropped to 65 percent, while the rate for blacks rose to 70 percent. Last November, the turnout rate among whites fell to 62 percent, while the rate for blacks ticked up to 72 percent.�

From these Census figures, white folks are losing interest in politics and voting. Yet, whites still constitute three-fourths of the electorate and nine in 10 Republican votes.

Query: Is the way to increase the enthusiasm and turnout among this three-fourths of the electorate for the GOP to embrace amnesty and a path to citizenship for 12 million illegal foreign aliens?

Or is it to demand the sealing of America�s borders against any and all intruders?

Just asking.


http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/requiem-for-a-grand-old-party/

The above is the conclusion to his article.

Judging by the amount of time he spent talking about the Southern Strategy that he helped create, it looks like he is saying it's time to forego the GOP outreach to minorities approach and whip up the whites using border security as a wedge issue. Considering the backlash against that Heritage/Richwine fiasco of late last week, Buchanan's indirectly stated advice may be the only way forward.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some very interesting comments following Buchanan's article.

From just the first few...

"The South has a long memory, and many of us still remember.

The GOP must be destroyed. This is the beginning of all conservative political wisdom in the United States."

"When civilizations reach the point that "progressives"(those who gain power by making people dependant on them) are in charge, one of the only things that can fix that is putting an autocrat in power with completely opposite political views.
Anotherwords it is more likely a nationalist in the veign of Putin will fix this country, than it is that everyone will suddenly want to return to the constitution and being a moral and religious people."

"it is only when the productive and responsible capitalists have created so much prosperity that the resentful parasites have the luxury to resent the capitalists who provide them their lifestyle."

"Hans Hoppe composed the requiem for all political parties in his Idea of a Private Law Society."

"In the long run, it is true that demographic change spells trouble for the GOP. Whites need white identity politics. The Democratic Party already engages in identity politics for nonwhites and feminists, but neither party does this for whites. This has to change. If the GOP wants to get on the right side of history it will lead the way by embracing white identity politics."
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The impact of race and changing demographics continue to be the underlying discussion of politics in America. Obama and the 2008 and 2012 elections are just the most recent chapter.

The Republican Party has had success using wedge issues such as Willie Horton and Gay marriage in the past.

My guess is that they will find a new theme to rally voters to their cause.

I don't know what it is but no doubt they are sample testing various themes as we speak.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no doubt you are right about that.

In addition to Buchanan's doubling down on race baiting, I would think another wedge issue will be state nullification of gun laws: see Kansas, Montana, Missouri among others.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: What Is Pat Buchanan Up To Now? Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Race In America: Requiem For A Grand Old Party

This brings us back around to the Electoral College.

After Richard Nixon cobbled together his New Majority, the GOP carried 49 states in 1972 and 1984, 44 states in 1980 and 40 in 1988. In four elections � 1972, 1984, 1988 and 2004 � the Republican Party swept all 11 states of FDR�s �Solid South.�

Such were the fruits of that evil Southern Strategy.

But when conservatives urged Bush 1 to declare a moratorium on legal immigration in 1992 and build a security fence, the politically correct Republican establishment fought tooth and nail to keep the idea out of the platform.

So, where are we?

Eighteen states, including four of the seven mega-states � California, New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania � have gone Democratic in six straight elections. Two others, Florida and Ohio, have gone Democratic twice in a row. And white folks are now a minority in the last mega-state, Texas.

In Ohio, which produced seven Republican presidents, more than any other state, Republicans are dropping out, and may be dying out.

�Eight years ago, blacks and whites voted at about the same rate (in Ohio),� write Balz and Mellnik. In 2008, �the participation rate for whites dropped to 65 percent, while the rate for blacks rose to 70 percent. Last November, the turnout rate among whites fell to 62 percent, while the rate for blacks ticked up to 72 percent.�

From these Census figures, white folks are losing interest in politics and voting. Yet, whites still constitute three-fourths of the electorate and nine in 10 Republican votes.

Query: Is the way to increase the enthusiasm and turnout among this three-fourths of the electorate for the GOP to embrace amnesty and a path to citizenship for 12 million illegal foreign aliens?

Or is it to demand the sealing of America�s borders against any and all intruders?

Just asking.


http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/requiem-for-a-grand-old-party/

The above is the conclusion to his article.


What about it is inaccurate?
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In addition to Buchanan's doubling down on race baiting


White person speaking to white interests = race baiting.

Black/Latino/Asian speaking to own ethnic group's interests = a wonderful part of our rich diversity in action.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The proper coalition that the Republican's should have will never be brought about because The War Party and Globalization Inc. will always maintain their hold on both parties and torpedo any attempt to ditch either of those two agendas.

I've always been a huge fan of Pat Buchanan and other Amconmag types like William S. Lind and of course, Ron Paul. But the sad truth is that the powers that be will never let us bring our boys home, seal our border, and do something to encourage America's manufacturing base (unless they can profit off of it).
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Titus



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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigverne wrote:
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In addition to Buchanan's doubling down on race baiting


White person speaking to white interests = race baiting.

Black/Latino/Asian speaking to own ethnic group's interests = a wonderful part of our rich diversity in action.


This conflict is religious:

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print
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Today�s ruling class, from Boston to San Diego, was formed by an educational system that exposed them to the same ideas and gave them remarkably uniform guidance, as well as tastes and habits. These amount to a social canon of judgments about good and evil, complete with secular sacred history, sins (against minorities and the environment), and saints. Using the right words and avoiding the wrong ones when referring to such matters � speaking the �in� language � serves as a badge of identity.

...

The two classes have less in common culturally, dislike each other more, and embody ways of life more different from one another than did the 19th century�s Northerners and Southerners � nearly all of whom, as Lincoln reminded them, �prayed to the same God.� By contrast, while most Americans pray to the God �who created and doth sustain us,� our ruling class prays to itself as �saviors of the planet� and improvers of humanity.


Buchanan is committing religious heresy. He's more than a thought criminal. He is a racist (in that he privileges his group interests above promoting the group interests of others). He can only be conceptualized as evil.

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The proper coalition that the Republican's should have will never be brought about because The War Party and Globalization Inc. will always maintain their hold on both parties and torpedo any attempt to ditch either of those two agendas.


I agree. The ideology of the regime is entirely self-serving. It just so happens that "fixing the world" also raises profits of the oligarchy. The pleb supporters are suffering Stockholm Syndrome.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus inquired:

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What about it is inaccurate?


It isn't a question of accurate or inaccurate.

He seems to be calling for an exclusively white party welded together by fear and hatred of 'the other'.

If your only path to power is to divide the population with fear, it means your other policies can't win on their merits. It also calls into question your belief in the underlying principle of our whole system--(to crib from AL): a "nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure."
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He seems to be calling for an exclusively white party


For a party that represents the interests of white people.

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welded together by fear and hatred of 'the other'.


There was no hate or fear. PB certainly doesn't "fear" anybody.

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If your only path to power is to divide the population with fear


The democrat media machine creates and then uses hostility to white people as the primary means to keep the Rainbow Collation together.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
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He seems to be calling for an exclusively white party


For a party that represents the interests of white people.

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welded together by fear and hatred of 'the other'.


There was no hate or fear. PB certainly doesn't "fear" anybody.

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If your only path to power is to divide the population with fear


The democrat media machine creates and then uses hostility to white people as the primary means to keep the Rainbow Collation together.




Do you mean like the White Citizens Council? That kind of white people's interests?

Are you sure you don't mean white men's interests? Women have become pretty darn uppity in the last few decades. One might even become (gasp!) president next time around.

It is endlessly fascinating, but also mysterious, how the majority so often plays the victim card. I haven't looked into it much, but it sure seems to be the result of racial/cultural panic.

Had conservatives held on to their Lincoln legacy back at the time the liberals broke their alliance with the Dixiecrats, the Dixiecrats would have had nowhere to go. Our ethnic minorities would have had a choice of parties to join and there wouldn't be this political reality of 70-90% voting for one party.

PB & J isn't afraid? No cultural panic there?

I prefer Robert Frost:

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun;
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast...
He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors.'
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
'Why do they make good neighbors?...
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offense.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down.'...
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, 'Good fences make good neighbors.'
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you sure you don't mean white men's interests?


The white family.

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Women have become pretty darn uppity in the last few decades. One might even become (gasp!) president next time around.


Yes, a mall lawyer who is only known outside of a po-dunk town in Arkansas because of who her husband it.

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PB & J isn't afraid? No cultural panic there?


It would be fair to say he is afraid that the USA will become a more dysfunctional version of New Mexico (note NM doesn't have much immigration, though don't think about that too long as it might fry your circuits) because Mexicans create Mexico. It would be more fair to say that he has affection for his nation and is inclined towards an analysis of how current tends will impact the future and doesn't want his home to become a toilet.

Here's a sample (from his most recent column):

http://buchanan.org/blog/the-heretic-at-heritage-5568
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If Richwine is right, America in 2040 will be a country with whites and Asians dominating the professions, and 100 million Hispanics concentrated in semiskilled work and manual labor.


There will be absolutely no place for black Americans is the future. None. Mexicans etc will push them out of all low-skilled professions and East and South Asians will take up the affirmative action spots that HR needs to check off.

Stand at any intersection in any major metro in the USA and note that all the people in suits are white or East Asian and all the people in fast food uniforms, security uniforms etc are some form of NAM (non-Asian minority). Ok, so I have a cleaning lady who works for peanuts and the price of a pint is kept down, but this isn't a recipe for long term social stability.

So ya-ta can take cues from the oligarchy and label such concerns with psycho-babble. Brazil is the future. And Brazil is a toilet.

http://www.castelinho38.com/blogger/uploaded_images/favela-713003.jpg
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Race is a social construct

TNC wrote:
If you tell me that you plan to study "race and intelligence" then it is only fair that I ask you, "What do you mean by race?" . . . My instinct is to point out that your entire experiment proceeds from a basic flaw -- no coherent, fixed definition of race actually exists.


TNC wrote:
Our notion of what constitutes "white" and what constitutes "black" is a product of social context. It is utterly impossible to look at the delineation of a "Southern race" and not see the Civil War, the creation of an "Irish race" and not think of Cromwell's ethnic cleansing, the creation of a "Jewish race" and not see anti-Semitism. There is no fixed sense of "whiteness" or "blackness," not even today. It is quite common for whites to point out that Barack Obama isn't really "black" but "half-white." One wonders if they would say this if Barack Obama were a notorious drug-lord.

When the liberal says "race is a social construct," he is not being a soft-headed dolt; he is speaking an historical truth. We do not go around testing the "Irish race" for intelligence or the "Southern race" for "hot-headedness." These reasons are social. It is no more legitimate to ask "Is the black race dumber than then white race?" than it is to ask "Is the Jewish race thriftier than the Arab race?"

The strongest argument for "race" is that people who trace their ancestry back to Europe, and people who trace most of their ancestry back to sub-Saharan Africa, and people who trace most of their ancestry back to Asia, and people who trace their ancestry back to the early Americas, lived isolated from each other for long periods and have evolved different physical traits (curly hair, lighter skin, etc.)

But this theoretical definition (already fuzzy) wilts under human agency, in a real world where Kevin Garnett, Harold Ford, and Halle Berry all check "black" on the census. (Same deal for "Hispanic.") The reasons for that take us right back to fact of race as a social construct. And an American-centered social construct. Are the Ainu of Japan a race? Should we delineate darker South Asians from lighter South Asians on the basis of race? Did the Japanese who invaded China consider the Chinese the same "race?"


My only addenda: its more than paleo-conservatives and Pat Buchanan who accept race even as a social construct.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There will be absolutely no place for black Americans is the future. None. Mexicans etc will push them out of all low-skilled professions


One wonders why then, do no prominent black leaders oppose the insanity of 'immigration reform.'
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know kuros. With what is said about modern ethnicities being the result of mixing with different groups of archaic sapiens, it looks likely to me that skyrim is a better analogy than the stuff that anthropology profs were teaching back when I was in uni. Looks like regionalists won, and the world is a weirder, wilder place than we had expected.
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