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A good reason why the US press is trying to ignore Benghazi

 
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 1:26 pm    Post subject: A good reason why the US press is trying to ignore Benghazi Reply with quote

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2374713644001/

Watch this through, especially to around 4:50 and beyond.

Richard Grenell, former spokesman to the last 4 US ambassadors to the UN, points out that the presidents of CBS news and ABC news both have siblings that work for the White House on foreign policy directly related to Benghazi.

CNN covered the hearings some, but not much. CNN's deputy bureau chief Virginia Mosley is married to Hillary Clinton's deputy, Tom Nides (sp.).

This video makes a lot of sense.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've watched/read a variety of news reports on this issue and I cannot for the life of me figure out what is being alleged to have been covered up.

Enlightenment would be welcome.
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actionjackson



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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I've watched/read a variety of news reports on this issue and I cannot for the life of me figure out what is being alleged to have been covered up.

Enlightenment would be welcome.

This is why nobody else has run with the story either, at least in my opinion. Scandals sell and if there was actually something there to report on, every news outlet in America would be trying to cash in on it.

A perfect example being I've recently seen in several different places some sort of backlash against some psychic who was wrong several years ago (a quick google search even shows me she's made Canadian, UK, and Australian news). I would think if there was some sort of cover-up, other news agencies outside of the US would've picked up on it.
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, a reluctance to save Americans in harms way, likely for political reasons, or at the very least, incompetence. If it is proven (as many people from Navy Seals to gov't workers in the know have stated) we had military assets that could have ended this between the first and second attack, then what was the reason why no help was given? Was it truly because assets were not available? Was it because it had the potential to become a PR disaster should action be taken and not have a positive outcome? The fear is that decisions were made based on re-election, rather than saving lives. Let a few people die instead of putting Obama's campaign in jeopardy.

Note the timing of all this, nearing the re-election campaign of Obama, and the implications such an attack would have meant on his image. The administration tried very hard to avoid using the word "terror" for specific reasons. And they told us over and over again for two weeks that the bombing was due to a video. This, now that ABC News has found dozens of re-writes as proof, was bull and Obama's people knew it.

Obama and his people were caught in a lie. There is no other interpretation which makes sense And it was a lie that has everything to do with national security for Americans abroad.

Do you actually trust this guy??? As an American living overseas, I now question whether he will actually have our backs should something happen with NK.... he might start drawing imaginary red lines that mean nothing in real life, but that's yet another story. Or he might poo-poo a story and make up some false scenario to help his party avoid political scrutiny.

This administration falsified a national security issue for political gain. That is what this is beginning to look like. And that is a very serious thing.


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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't followed this issue that closely but I assume it hasn't gained traction in the media for two reasons:

1. They are being careful because of its impact on national security.

2. They haven't found an angle on the story which has excited their viewership (maybe because of #1)

Personally, I am not too worked up on the issue because the Republican Party seems to be putting enough pressure on Obama to clean up whatever errors took place.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah falsifying national security statements:: the Niger yellowcake that wasn't. Oh that was bush.

the WMD's that SAddam had stockpiled , still never found. Oh that was Bush too.

Assets in Italy , to get them to Libya in time would have been a miracle. You do know where Italy is thats in europe, Libya is in Africa.

The real story here is that Repugs have taken the bodies of the dead Americans and made political playthings out of them.

Assets were sent, a C.I.A> team was sent.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:
First, a reluctance to save Americans in harms way, likely for political reasons, or at the very least, incompetence. If it is proven (as many people from Navy Seals to gov't workers in the know have stated) we had military assets that could have ended this between the first and second attack, then what was the reason why no help was given? Was it truly because assets were not available? Was it because it had the potential to become a PR disaster should action be taken and not have a positive outcome? The fear is that decisions were made based on re-election, rather than saving lives. Let a few people die instead of putting Obama's campaign in jeopardy.

Well according to Robert Gates (Former Secretary of Defense under G. W. Bush):
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�I listened to the testimony of [Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta] and [Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin Dempsey],� Gates explained to CBS host Bob Schieffer in an interview that aired on Sunday. �And, frankly, had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were.�

We don�t have a ready force standing by in the Middle East � despite all the turmoil that�s going on � with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment�s notice. And so, getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible.

�Based on everything I�ve read, people really didn�t know what was going on in Benghazi contemporaneously, and to send some small number of Special Forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on on the ground, I think, would have been very dangerous,� the former defense secretary observed. �And personally, I would not have approved that.�

�It�s sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces. The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm�s way. And there just wasn�t time to do that.�


rollo wrote:
Yeah falsifying national security statements:: the Niger yellowcake that wasn't. Oh that was bush.

the WMD's that SAddam had stockpiled , still never found. Oh that was Bush too.

What I find most amazing about these lies is that it has so far cost the lives of 4,487 Americans and yet nobody bats an eyelash about it. It's amazing what people get outraged over. Perspective, some people need it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:

This administration falsified a national security issue for political gain. That is what this is beginning to look like. And that is a very serious thing.


Reagan certainly did it (Iran-Contra). Bush the younger did it (Iraq War), and thousands died. I cannot help but notice the identities of the accusers and their hypocrisy.

Don't get me wrong, there may be something here, but covering up a refusal to deploy military forces into a hostile area is not an impeachable offense. And you seem to know it, too, because you haven't advocated impeachment.

We lost an ambassador and that hurts. It was avoidable. But here's the thing: these men willingly went into harm's way. Yes, even the State Department is aware of the risks. As a nation, we have to keep a stiff upper lip, keep calm and carry on. Otherwise, we will start risky wars over small losses, and spend ridiculous amounts of money to protect against phantom threats.

I'm sorry, but I am going to side with Obama on this one. The mainline Republican politicians are conveniently silent about Obama's crony capitalism. If they want a dog-and-pony show on Benghazi, I hope their distraction hoists them on their own petards.

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Do you actually trust this guy???


No. Let us not squander our energies on this nonsense, though.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the response, swampfox.

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First, a reluctance to save Americans in harms way, likely for political reasons, or at the very least, incompetence.


Former Secretary Gates answered the first part.

As for the 'political reasons', this reminds me of the Rovian tactic of accusing the other guy of doing what you yourself are doing.

To me, the most serious charge is incompetence. It looks like we were unprepared for an attack of this nature in an area where it would be reasonable to expect at least the possibility of an attack. However, that brings up the issue of the cut-back on security funding.

At this point, the issue looks like nothing more than an attempted pre-emptive hit on a strong potential presidential nominee.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further evidence of this being nothing more than an attack on Clinton:

AP is reporting Issa will hold closed door meetings.

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WASHINGTON (AP) � The Republican chairman of the House oversight panel is asking a veteran diplomat and a former chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff for sworn testimony about their investigation into the deaths of four Americans at a diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya.

Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, planned on Monday to seek depositions from retired Ambassador Thomas Pickering and retired Adm. Mike Mullen. Issa, who is leading Republicans� investigations into the attacks on a State Department consulate last September, said he wants to know with whom the pair spoke to reach their conclusion that then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton did not direct the response to the pair of nighttime attacks in Libya.

�This is a failure, it needs to be investigated. Our committee can investigate. Now, Ambassador Pickering, his people and he refused to come before our committee,� Issa said Sunday.

Pickering, sitting next to Issa during an appearance on one Sunday show, disputed the chairman�s account and said that he was willing to testify before the committee.

That is not true,� said the former top diplomat, referring to Issa�s claim that he refused to appear before the committee. Pickering has served in Republican as well as Democratic administrations.

Issa said he would like to speak with Pickering and Mullen privately and under oath.

Pickering, a seasoned diplomat who penned a highly critical report on security at a U.S. outpost in Benghazi, Libya, defended his scathing assessment but absolved Clinton. �We knew where the responsibility rested,� said Pickering, whose career spans four decades.

�They�ve tried to point a finger at people more senior than where we found the decisions were made,� Pickering said of Clinton�s critics.

In a separate interview, Pickering said he asked, via the White House, to appear at Wednesday�s session. He said he could have answered many of the questions lawmakers raised, such as whether U.S. military forces could have saved Americans had they dispatched F-16 jet fighters to the consulate, some 1,600 miles away from the nearest likely launching point.

�Mike Mullen, who was part of this report and indeed worked very closely with all of us and shared many of the responsibilities directly with me, made it very clear that his view as a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that there were nothing within range that could have made a difference,� Pickering said.

Republicans and Gregory Hicks, the former deputy chief of mission in Libya, have questioned why the military couldn�t move faster to stop the two nighttime attacks over several hours. Hicks, who testified before the House Oversight panel this past week, said a show of U.S. military force might have prevented the second attack on the CIA annex that killed security officers Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.

The Accountability Review Board, which Pickering headed with Mullen, did not question Clinton at length about the attacks but concluded last December that the decisions about the consulate were made well below the secretary�s level.

�I was surprised today that they did not probe Secretary Clinton in detail,� Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., said of the review board.

Pickering and Mullen�s blistering report found that �systematic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels� of the State Department meant that security was �inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place.�

Issa spoke on NBC�s �Meet the Press.� Pickering spoke on CNN�s �State of the Union,� CBS� �Face the Nation� and NBC. Ayotte appeared on CBS.



Issa is doing a very poor job of presenting whatever evidence he has. I remember watching the Watergate Hearings. Those were competently done. A witness would make his statement and then the next witness either corroborated it or contradicted it. The story line was much easier to follow.

What do you call it when you only present one side's view? Oh yeah. Propaganda.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rollo wrote:
Yeah falsifying national security statements:: the Niger yellowcake that wasn't. Oh that was bush.

the WMD's that SAddam had stockpiled , still never found. Oh that was Bush too.

Assets in Italy , to get them to Libya in time would have been a miracle. You do know where Italy is thats in europe, Libya is in Africa.

The real story here is that Repugs have taken the bodies of the dead Americans and made political playthings out of them.

Assets were sent, a C.I.A> team was sent.


Hello?!!! Bush has not been the POTUS for FIVE years!!!! At some point, Obama must start governing.
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy, this has been going on far longer than the Hillary post-Obama election plan by the Democrats. The unnerving thing for liberals is that it is no longer FoxNews asking all of the questions. Now its ABC News and others who are uncovering even more evidence and churning this thing up.

The woman couldn't win 5 years ago, and that's why we have this unvetted nut as president now. She stands even less chance of winning in 2016 in any case. At best she would be used as a side-show like she was to take the heat off of the next wonderboy speechmaker who has no record.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lithium wrote:
rollo wrote:
Yeah falsifying national security statements:: the Niger yellowcake that wasn't. Oh that was bush.

the WMD's that SAddam had stockpiled , still never found. Oh that was Bush too.

Assets in Italy , to get them to Libya in time would have been a miracle. You do know where Italy is thats in europe, Libya is in Africa.

The real story here is that Repugs have taken the bodies of the dead Americans and made political playthings out of them.

Assets were sent, a C.I.A> team was sent.


Hello?!!! Bush has not been the POTUS for FIVE years!!!! At some point, Obama must start governing.

I think the point he was trying to make was that presidents lie.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ya-ta Boy, this has been going on far longer than the Hillary post-Obama election plan by the Democrats.



You are quite right if by 'this' you mean repeated attempts to politically destroy both of the Clintons, not just Hillary.

Hillary Clinton is the first female who has had a legitmate chance to be nominated and/or elected president. It should be interesting watching the backlash among women as they watch conservatives attack her for political gain.
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