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ghostrider
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 Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: Huge Rise in ADHD Diagnoses |
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| Nearly one in five high school age boys in the United States and 11 percent of school-age children over all have received a medical diagnosis of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, according to new data from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. |
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| �There�s no way that one in five high-school boys has A.D.H.D.,� said James Swanson, a professor of psychiatry at Florida International University and one of the primary A.D.H.D. researchers in the last 20 years. �If we start treating children who do not have the disorder with stimulants, a certain percentage are going to have problems that are predictable � some of them are going to end up with abuse and dependence. And with all those pills around, how much of that actually goes to friends? Some studies have said it�s about 30 percent.� |
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| Sales of stimulants to treat A.D.H.D. have more than doubled to $9 billion in 2012 from $4 billion in 2007, according to the health care information company IMS Health. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/health/more-diagnoses-of-hyperactivity-causing-concern.html
So is it being overdiagnosed or was it underdiagnosed in the past? |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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$9 billion largely made by feeding children stimulants and diagnosing them with a fake condition we've as a species, apparently, lived with as long as we've existed yet are just now discovering, how unbelievably stupid people are. What's the next bullshit scheme they'll entrance the American public with to make the next $9 billion? What a sickening situation.
"Something's wrong with you, take these drugs."
"OK."
People are doomed. |
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tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Doesn't AD(H)D medication improve focus for everybody? I have heard of people going to the doctor to get a prescription for Adderall or Ritalin even though they don't particularly need it. They just have to tell the doctor they have ADD in order to get it. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure it improves focus for everyone, it certainly does, or did, for me when I took it. But you can get sucked in to whatever it is that you're focusing on. I remember popping one in college and procrastinating about studying for a test while watching TV... and I watched TV like I've never watched TV before for about the next five hours...
And of course there are probably a ton of doctors giving it away like candy since they make money from it. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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you know augustine, when i worked in psychiatric services, we usually recommended to the doctors medication and 9 times out of ten, if the doctor trusted the nurses, hed go with our recommendation. we didnt make any money out of that medication from the drug reps and neither did the doctors as the prescription went through the pharmacy. The drug reps were the only people that made any money out of that. you think its like a shoes salesman and they sell you 1,000,000 mg of something and then come back in 3 months to sell you more?
it seems like a lot of your conjecture comes from a bad personal experience. You dont seem to have ever taken part in a case study nor do you seem qualified (i mean in the literal sense) to be telling people (from your various posts) about what to take for medication. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| you know augustine, when i worked in psychiatric services, we usually recommended to the doctors medication and 9 times out of ten, if the doctor trusted the nurses, hed go with our recommendation. we didnt make any money out of that medication from the drug reps and neither did the doctors as the prescription went through the pharmacy. The drug reps were the only people that made any money out of that. you think its like a shoes salesman and they sell you 1,000,000 mg of something and then come back in 3 months to sell you more? |
So, what are you trying to say? That the doctors got none of the $9 billion? For someone who used to slang drugs, you seem fairly ignorant about how that particular industry works, whatever crappy little sales job you used to have within it.
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| it seems like a lot of your conjecture comes from a bad personal experience. You dont seem to have ever taken part in a case study nor do you seem qualified (i mean in the literal sense) to be telling people (from your various posts) about what to take for medication. |
To the contrary, adderall allowed me to get very good grades in college. And you're qualified? You do the same job as me, buddy (though mine's better). ADHD is a made up condition that's used by pharmaceutical companies AND doctors to make absurd amounts of money and medicate children which overall has a negative effect on society, as the OP is trying to reflect. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| you know augustine, when i worked in psychiatric services, we usually recommended to the doctors medication and 9 times out of ten, if the doctor trusted the nurses, hed go with our recommendation. we didnt make any money out of that medication from the drug reps and neither did the doctors as the prescription went through the pharmacy. The drug reps were the only people that made any money out of that. |
I don't think anyone is necessarily accusing individual psychiatric services workers of being corrupt or conniving across the board here. They work with the standards they've been provided. The problem is that those standards are informed by the people who are making money off of drug prescriptions. As the drama over the DSM V illustrates, the matter of mental illness and its treatment is highly controversial and not necessarily entirely objective; both political and economic matters inform this topic. The average mental health worker no doubt just wants to help people, but they're relying on information provided by those with a much more economically-inclined set of interests to achieve that end. People are reasonable to be careful, and even doubtful. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| you know augustine, when i worked in psychiatric services, we usually recommended to the doctors medication and 9 times out of ten, if the doctor trusted the nurses, hed go with our recommendation. we didnt make any money out of that medication from the drug reps and neither did the doctors as the prescription went through the pharmacy. The drug reps were the only people that made any money out of that. you think its like a shoes salesman and they sell you 1,000,000 mg of something and then come back in 3 months to sell you more? |
So, what are you trying to say? That the doctors got none of the $9 billion? For someone who used to slang drugs, you seem fairly ignorant about how that particular industry works, whatever crappy little sales job you used to have within it.
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| it seems like a lot of your conjecture comes from a bad personal experience. You dont seem to have ever taken part in a case study nor do you seem qualified (i mean in the literal sense) to be telling people (from your various posts) about what to take for medication. |
To the contrary, adderall allowed me to get very good grades in college. And you're qualified? You do the same job as me, buddy (though mine's better). ADHD is a made up condition that's used by pharmaceutical companies AND doctors to make absurd amounts of money and medicate children which overall has a negative effect on society, as the OP is trying to reflect. |
first off, you dont know anything about my job other than what youve imagined. I chose to do this job, so its of little relevance to this conversation wether or not your job is better than mine. That was a little childish, wasnt it.
Secondly, i didnt have a crappy sales job. I was a psychiatric nurse. Ive worked in rehabilitation, as a cpn, forensics, crisis and suicide prevention, elderly and a hospice for cancer patients with alzheimers. As i qualified at a higher level than a diploma, I also took part in a lot of research which was funded by the nhs directly (therefore it had no agenda).
Im sorry your medical system and drug industry is so corrupt in the usa (it could be for all i know). all i know about the uk, is that medication treatments are reviewed every months, 2 weeks or sooner (depending on the condition of the patient). if the medication is ineffective, the medication is changed, usually at the recommendation of the team. All i ever got from the drugs reps was some sandwiches and a free pen. Even then we were scepticL about the treatments until wed seen their effectiveness first hand.
We are held accountable for every little decision we make. Every detIl is recorded. If anything happens, we would be imprissoned at her majesties pleasure. You think nurses would risk that knowing the doctors are getting a back hander?
To say that nurses (or anyone in charge of their administration) are oblivious to how drugs are tested, or about whether or not conditions really exist, is just plain ignorant or stupid. You choose. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| augustine wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| you know augustine, when i worked in psychiatric services, we usually recommended to the doctors medication and 9 times out of ten, if the doctor trusted the nurses, hed go with our recommendation. we didnt make any money out of that medication from the drug reps and neither did the doctors as the prescription went through the pharmacy. The drug reps were the only people that made any money out of that. you think its like a shoes salesman and they sell you 1,000,000 mg of something and then come back in 3 months to sell you more? |
So, what are you trying to say? That the doctors got none of the $9 billion? For someone who used to slang drugs, you seem fairly ignorant about how that particular industry works, whatever crappy little sales job you used to have within it.
| le-paul wrote: |
| it seems like a lot of your conjecture comes from a bad personal experience. You dont seem to have ever taken part in a case study nor do you seem qualified (i mean in the literal sense) to be telling people (from your various posts) about what to take for medication. |
To the contrary, adderall allowed me to get very good grades in college. And you're qualified? You do the same job as me, buddy (though mine's better). ADHD is a made up condition that's used by pharmaceutical companies AND doctors to make absurd amounts of money and medicate children which overall has a negative effect on society, as the OP is trying to reflect. |
first off, you dont know anything about my job other than what youve imagined. I chose to do this job, so its of little relevance to this conversation wether or not your job is better than mine. That was a little childish, wasnt it.
Secondly, i didnt have a crappy sales job. I was a psychiatric nurse. Ive worked in rehabilitation, as a cpn, forensics, crisis and suicide prevention, elderly and a hospice for cancer patients with alzheimers. As i qualified at a higher level than a diploma, I also took part in a lot of research which was funded by the nhs directly (therefore it had no agenda).
Im sorry your medical system and drug industry is so corrupt in the usa (it could be for all i know). all i know about the uk, is that medication treatments are reviewed every months, 2 weeks or sooner (depending on the condition of the patient). if the medication is ineffective, the medication is changed, usually at the recommendation of the team. All i ever got from the drugs reps was some sandwiches and a free pen. Even then we were scepticL about the treatments until wed seen their effectiveness first hand.
We are held accountable for every little decision we make. Every detIl is recorded. If anything happens, we would be imprissoned at her majesties pleasure. You think nurses would risk that knowing the doctors are getting a back hander?
To say that nurses (or anyone in charge of their administration) are oblivious to how drugs are tested, or about whether or not conditions really exist, is just plain ignorant or stupid. You choose. |
My apologies. But I'm failing to register how you're tying this into the OP. I don't think you're addressing the issue here, you're just telling me what it's like to be a nurse in England. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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$9 billion largely made by feeding children stimulants and diagnosing them with a fake condition we've as a species, apparently, lived with as long as we've existed yet are just now discovering, how unbelievably stupid people are. What's the next bullshit scheme they'll entrance the American public with to make the next $9 billion? What a sickening situation.
"Something's wrong with you, take these drugs."
"OK."
People are doomed. |
it was that.
I get (got) tired of hearing what a bunch of crackpots we are (were) day in and day out. It would seem from that article that there is something amiss. But its also difficult to see whats really going on without reading peer reviewed journals on the subject.
Alot of medical proffessionals (and again im only talking about my own experiences from the uk) are just trying to do their best. And popular, uninformed belief usually leads to shared misinformation and ultimatley, fear. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
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$9 billion largely made by feeding children stimulants and diagnosing them with a fake condition we've as a species, apparently, lived with as long as we've existed yet are just now discovering, how unbelievably stupid people are. What's the next bullshit scheme they'll entrance the American public with to make the next $9 billion? What a sickening situation.
"Something's wrong with you, take these drugs."
"OK."
People are doomed. |
it was that. |
And what about that? Are you saying that none of that $9 billion went to doctors? Are you pro ADHD medication for children? What are you trying to say?
Editing because of your edit. I'm not calling anyone a crackpot, I'm saying that people are inherently greedy and this industry is full of dirty money used to treat phantom illnesses they create like ADHD. Of course they do a lot of good, but they're also enriching themselves deeply. |
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ghostrider
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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How is this news?
It's from the sugar and white flour diet combined with the technology culture. I'd say it's more like 50%. |
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