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Seoulman69
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Totally different in how they became head of state. But both are heads of state. The Korean president, or any Korean citizen, is not expected to bow to the Queen of England. Only subjects of the Queen are supposed, which unfortunately includes Canadians.
The queen is lucky that the citizens of her nation didn't decide to wipe-out her ancestors about 100/200 years ago, when most of the world were literally chopping their non-elected head of state heads off. |
Apart from their job title they are totally different. The amount of power they have, the way they acquired the position, the time they are in power, it goes on and on.
I'm not a fan of the queen or the royal family but to suggest the Korean president and the Queen are the same is incorrect. But I don't care enough about either of them to be upset if someone shakes their hand in an "inappropriate" way. |
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atwood
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Well as an experiment I told my woman "Bill shook the president's hand with his other hand in his pocket". Her immediate reaction was "WTF??". And she's not insane.
I think it just strikes Koreans as common sense that you would never do such a thing. Especially not a high level executive. Probably they assume because their executives get training and education abroad, that Americans must too, and that because these manners are common sense to Koreans, they must be common sense to Americans too.
Then on the American side you have people assuming it's just common sense to understand Bill is a nerd and didn't mean anything by it, and common sense to know he is an individual and that's just his personal style, and assuming these American ways of thinking are common sense and must be common sense to Koreans too.
Basically most people aren't smart should be confined to the boundaries of their own country. Especially Americans and Koreans who are actually very much alike in their inability to understand anything outside their little world. |
Koreans and common sense are at best odd bedfellows.
And there's nothing common sense about assuming Bill Gates is a "computer nerd" unless you've personally met him.
The common sense position is why would anyone care about this? |
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Ranman
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well as an experiment I told my woman "Bill shook the president's hand with his other hand in his pocket". Her immediate reaction was "WTF??". And she's not insane.
I think it just strikes Koreans as common sense that you would never do such a thing. Especially not a high level executive. Probably they assume because their executives get training and education abroad, that Americans must too, and that because these manners are common sense to Koreans, they must be common sense to Americans too.
Then on the American side you have people assuming it's just common sense to understand Bill is a nerd and didn't mean anything by it, and common sense to know he is an individual and that's just his personal style, and assuming these American ways of thinking are common sense and must be common sense to Koreans too.
Basically most people aren't smart should be confined to the boundaries of their own country. Especially Americans and Koreans who are actually very much alike in their inability to understand anything outside their little world. |
I don't think that's the point. The point is that Koreans are making a mountain out of a mole hill because they have nothing better to do. |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually they are. Both are heads of their respective states. So no |
I see your point but one is an officially elected official with a limited amount of time in power, the other achieved her position through birthright.
Totally different. |
Totally different in how they became head of state. But both are heads of state. The Korean president, or any Korean citizen, is not expected to bow to the Queen of England. Only subjects of the Queen are supposed, which unfortunately includes Canadians.
The queen is lucky that the citizens of her nation didn't decide to wipe-out her ancestors about 100/200 years ago, when most of the world were literally chopping their non-elected head of state heads off. |
That's because they (British) shared power with Parliament when mainland European monachs were ruling as absolute dictators. They tolerated democracy and encouraged it. So, it's why democracy tolerates them today, me thinks. The Queen is an institution herself. I'm not really a monachist, but repsect old Elizabeth. But once she goes, King Charley? Please! Republic time, maybe?? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Well as an experiment I told my woman "Bill shook the president's hand with his other hand in his pocket". Her immediate reaction was "WTF??". And she's not insane.
I think it just strikes Koreans as common sense that you would never do such a thing. Especially not a high level executive. Probably they assume because their executives get training and education abroad, that Americans must too, and that because these manners are common sense to Koreans, they must be common sense to Americans too.
Then on the American side you have people assuming it's just common sense to understand Bill is a nerd and didn't mean anything by it, and common sense to know he is an individual and that's just his personal style, and assuming these American ways of thinking are common sense and must be common sense to Koreans too.
Basically most people aren't smart should be confined to the boundaries of their own country. Especially Americans and Koreans who are actually very much alike in their inability to understand anything outside their little world. |
I don't think that's the point. The point is that Koreans are making a mountain out of a mole hill because they have nothing better to do. |
Meanwhile this thread is doing its best to become a mountain itself...six pages in three days.
Good thing that it's only Koreans who care about this kind of stuff isn't it? |
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asylum seeker
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| Good. I hope they get so angry they start fixing their websites so that you can get full functionality on them when using browsers other than Internet Explorer and stop using active-X so much. |
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young_clinton
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| Other than a handshake should be a good solid handshake and not wimpy, who cares? For some cultures maybe a solid handshake doesn't matter either. I frankly don't understand how anybody reasonable could dwell on something like this. |
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Steelrails
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cabeza
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| Those are a bit meatier than a one handed handshake. |
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maximmm
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Well as an experiment I told my woman "Bill shook the president's hand with his other hand in his pocket". Her immediate reaction was "WTF??". And she's not insane.
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I said to my wife that Bill Gates blinked two times when he shook the president's hand. My wife's reaction was also 'WTF?'. Coincidentally, she too is not insane.
I have a strong suspicion though that WTF was not as much of a reaction to the shaking/blinking as it was to me noticing and then bringing it up @@ |
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KimchiNinja
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| maximmm wrote: |
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Well as an experiment I told my woman "Bill shook the president's hand with his other hand in his pocket". Her immediate reaction was "WTF??". And she's not insane.
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I said to my wife that Bill Gates blinked two times when he shook the president's hand. My wife's reaction was also 'WTF?'. Coincidentally, she too is not insane.
I have a strong suspicion though that WTF was not as much of a reaction to the shaking/blinking as it was to me noticing and then bringing it up @@ |
That is possible.
Regardless, international business works the way it works and it's best to just learn and succeed rather than failing and rationalizing. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Those are a bit meatier than a one handed handshake. |
The last 3 are a bit trivial. |
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postfundie
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is it a fun game for you to try and justify every rude behavior here with some type of behavior in another country and act as if that makes it ok? You like that kid in class, who when you call him out on something says, "but my brother does it." It's like its your only reason to exist on these message boards... |
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Steelrails
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is it a fun game for you to try and justify every rude behavior here with some type of behavior in another country and act as if that makes it ok? You like that kid in class, who when you call him out on something says, "but my brother does it." It's like its your only reason to exist on these message boards... |
The problem is that people are saying this stuff is somehow unique to Koreans. Saying "They do it too" is the way to disprove this claim. Take an issue with people making false claims, not people who disprove them. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100215856/barack-obamas-top-ten-insults-against-britain-2013-edition/ |
is it a fun game for you to try and justify every rude behavior here with some type of behavior in another country and act as if that makes it ok? You like that kid in class, who when you call him out on something says, "but my brother does it." It's like its your only reason to exist on these message boards... |
The problem is that people are saying this stuff is somehow unique to Koreans. Saying "They do it too" is the way to disprove this claim. Take an issue with people making false claims, not people who disprove them. |
You are going to use UK as an example when they have this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13558270
In any case, I'm starting to see a major trend....
Anytime Korean media derails into the lunacy zone, Steelrails and PatrickBusan come to the rescue with fallacious explanations/excuses.
I suspect that this has been going on for years and to this day no one has been able to actually convince them otherwise. It's a case where the discussion is over before it even begins. Oh well. |
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