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Swampfox10mm
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| For those who see so much change, and feel there isn't any discrimination, who is the head of the family on your Hojuk? |
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nick70100
Joined: 09 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| For those who see so much change, and feel there isn't any discrimination, who is the head of the family on your Hojuk? |
So if one problem remains, then all of the other positive changes don't matter?
I don't recall anyone saying there isn't ANY discrimination, just that things are getting better rather than worse. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| For those who see so much change, and feel there isn't any discrimination, who is the head of the family on your Hojuk? |
who the hell said there was NO discrimination??? Seriously swampie you accuse some people of being apologists but you are the one throwing around absolutes....
change has occured sawmpie and it has done so in significant fashion when I compare with what things were like in 1997. Is more change needed or desired? I think so but as with any deep societal change, this takes time. If as a father of a mixed child and married to Korean woman you cannot see the changes and improvements that occured over the past decade then it is surprising. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| For those who see so much change, and feel there isn't any discrimination, who is the head of the family on your Hojuk? |
who the hell said there was NO discrimination??? Seriously swampie you accuse some people of being apologists but you are the one throwing around absolutes....
change has occured sawmpie and it has done so in significant fashion when I compare with what things were like in 1997. Is more change needed or desired? I think so but as with any deep societal change, this takes time. If as a father of a mixed child and married to Korean woman you cannot see the changes and improvements that occured over the past decade then it is surprising. |
There have been improvments. But the "Law of the Blood" still clearly discriminiates against Korean women who bear a child of a foreign father in Korea. If a foreign woman bears a child of a Korean father the rules are different. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| For those who see so much change, and feel there isn't any discrimination, who is the head of the family on your Hojuk? |
Curious, would it be the most direct male in the child's lineage of Korean citizenship?
That sounds like a case of some form of agnatic primogeniture. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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I give you a concrete, indisputable, government-sanctioned example of discrimination against foreign families and their acceptance in this society, and what do we see?
Apologists circling the wagons.
Oh, but "... it's just one example...."
Pretty big one, I'd say...
In any case.... Wife said a gov't report showed over 50% of Korean males over 40 are remaining unmarried. This culture, as is, is ending itself. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| For those who see so much change, and feel there isn't any discrimination, who is the head of the family on your Hojuk? |
Curious, would it be the most direct male in the child's lineage of Korean citizenship?
That sounds like a case of some form of agnatic primogeniture. |
Only citizens can have a Hojuk, so if a foreign man, and Korean woman have a family, it is the Korean woman (unless the man is naturalized).
On my son's birth registration form only his mother is indicated, foreigners are not shown. So according to government records, my son is a bastard. How modern is that? Even Obama's records showed his Kenyan father back in 1961! |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| They will just throw some more money at the problem and hope it goes away. Koreans will continue complain that the foreigner school children get treated better by the government being allowed free things and the possibility to join foreigner schools. Foreigners will complain Korean school children get treated better by classmates and more naturally by staff members. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
Only citizens can have a Hojuk, so if a foreign man, and Korean woman have a family, it is the Korean woman (unless the man is naturalized).
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Is Hojuk used to enact the benefits and responsibilities of being a Korean citizen?
If, for example, you were listed on the Hojuk, would that make you liable to serve in the Korean military or be used as a record permitting you to vote? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
I give you a concrete, indisputable, government-sanctioned example of discrimination against foreign families and their acceptance in this society, and what do we see?
Apologists circling the wagons.
Oh, but "... it's just one example...."
Pretty big one, I'd say...
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The hojok?
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| The National Assembly passed a revision to the civil law early this month to keep up with changes in society's concept of family by removing the distinction between adopted and biological children in the document of the Confucian family registry system, called ''hojok. . |
(bolding mine)
http://dic.daum.net/search.do?q=revision&t=example&dic=eng&search_first=Y&page=5
Yep that's a shining example of discrimination against foreign families alright... |
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