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toby99



Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Drinking and EPIK application Reply with quote

Under the health section of the job app it asks something like "how many drinks do you consume in an average week?"

Is the only right answer '0'? 2? 4? I do drink occasionally, sometime heavily, but I don't want to put down anything that would risk the application.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Drinking and EPIK application Reply with quote

toby99 wrote:
Under the health section of the job app it asks something like "how many drinks do you consume in an average week?"

Is the only right answer '0'? 2? 4? I do drink occasionally, sometime heavily, but I don't want to put down anything that would risk the application.


Occasionally is not an average week. "0" is the correct answer.

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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd write down 2 or 3 a week. It's what I did. If you write down 0, then I think it may seem odd and they will probably question you on this and ask why.
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toby99



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
I'd write down 2 or 3 a week. It's what I did. If you write down 0, then I think it may seem odd and they will probably question you on this and ask why.


Yep, this was my thought too.
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No_hite_pls



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Drinking and EPIK application Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
0" is the correct answer.


+1

BTW Even if it's not true and don't tell you co-teachers about drinking on the weekends. It's not professional. They should not be asking the question anyway, it's disrespectful question to ask an adult on job application. But if EPIK wanted to be professional they would offer more than 1 year contracts.

Do they ask Korean teachers the same question? I have seen some really drunk local teachers in my time here. I hope that if they are monitoring the foreigners drinking habits they are monitoring the locals drinking habits too.


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toby99



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Drinking and EPIK application Reply with quote

No_hite_pls wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
0" is the correct answer.


+1


Might they then wonder why you don't drink or assume you're a drunk struggling with recovery, etc? I don't know. To those who put down zero, did anyone give you a hard time?
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toby99



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree it's a dumb and unprofessional question. Do they expect a heavy drinker to answer '60/week" I guess if someone is dumb enough to put that it's an easy way to weed out the morons. It also allows the gov to say they 'screen' for alcoholics, I suppose.
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No_hite_pls



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I don't work for EPIK but my job application also asked about drinking. I wrote 0, and no one questioned or asked about it. I am married with kids though. Writing O has helped me at teachers dinners, no one pressures me to drink.
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Porksta



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be concerned that all the other teachers have seen your application.
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For one week the correct amount is zero. Anything else and it will be seen as continuously affecting your teaching the next day and the application goes in the basket.
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Skippy



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do understand why Korea asks this question. In Korea, they can usually get away from asking tricky or very personal questions.

I could understand as happy medium kind of questions.

Do you drink alcohol?
Have you ever had serious issues? (ie missed work, blackout, legal troubles, etc)

Yet like ttompatz said. Subtly is not a strong point her in Korea. So go 0 drinks.
One of skippy's rules of Korea - Anything you say and do will be held against you in court of Korean opinion.

Waygook says:
Yes, I lived with my girlfriend for a year.
Korean hears or translates if they want to as:
Yes, I am an immoral person. I am so unchristian like and actually a spawn of the devil. I want to have sex with every woman, man, and beast.

Waygook says:
Yea, I am a social drinker. I sometimes have a beer or two on a weekday. Yet, I mostly drink on the weekends.
Translation:
I am a wild and out of control alcoholic. Lock me up or lock up your daughters.

Waygook:
Sigh... I think the whole situation with Dokdo is a silly and overblown issue. I think it belongs to Korea, still.
Translation:
I HATE KOREANS! KOREANS ARE STUPID! DOKDO BELONGS TO JAPAN!

Sigh.... Rolling Eyes
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skippy wrote:
I do understand why Korea asks this question. In Korea, they can usually get away from asking tricky or very personal questions.



Hmm no, it's worse in the West. They won't ask personal questions, but they are a lot more sophisticated in keeping out people they don't want. Also you get blatant questionnaires in the US such as "I think it's ok for a person to have tried drugs just once" or "Under certain circumstances it is OK for a person to take something from the company" etc.

Some people think I should answer this questionnaire honestly because the company will understand why I answered YES and respect it. Shocked
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Drinking and EPIK application Reply with quote

toby99 wrote:
No_hite_pls wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
0" is the correct answer.


+1


Might they then wonder why you don't drink or assume you're a drunk struggling with recovery, etc? I don't know. To those who put down zero, did anyone give you a hard time?



I've always put down zero and never had anyone say anything about it.


Not that I don't drink...but maybe only 4-5 times a year if I'm out with friends at some restaurant...I just don't like the taste of most booze.
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mayorhaggar



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Booze is a major social thing in Korea, they might not admit it but once you get here you'll see what I mean. I think if you put 1 per week you're saying you're open to going out once a month with your co-workers for beer/soju. If you say 0 then you give an excuse to EPIK to wonder if you'd fit in. They probably don't care too much but there's other stuff like vegetarianism and tattoos that they get sniffy about. They won't disqualify you automatically, but if there's a huge number of applicants and they need to find easy excuses to not hire people, they're probably going to start cutting applications from teetotaling vegetarians with tattoos. And for the interview you want to be talking about your teaching style and knowledge of Korea, not whether you drink or not.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: Drinking and EPIK application Reply with quote

No_hite_pls wrote:


But if EPIK wanted to be professional they would offer more than 1 year contracts.

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Given that the E-2 VISA is only good for a year (13 months) it's hard to see how they can do that.

Besides which if you do your job professionally and your co-workers like you it pretty much is more than a one year contract in real terms anyway.
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