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No_hite_pls
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" I don't have a degree at this time, I hate being at the police station having to answer a bunch of awkward questions about some bullshit the school that hired me has made up about me. I just wanna go do it legit, without hassles, I don't see that being a reality."
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Who here would hire this guy? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Who here would hire this guy? |
I'd give him a chance. Maybe he's made some poor choices in the past which play a role in where he is now, I don't know, but I do know that systematic factors (global systematic factors) entirely outside his control have as well, and I'm unwilling to translate his lack of prosperity into a lack of worth. A society should always afford opportunity to those who have fallen down, so that they can get back up if they really want to, and I'm not entirely sure this fellow has such opportunities open to him right now. |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Mind numbingly bad vlogs.. It's like a kind of torture watching... No awareness that people might not want to sit through 10 minutes of inane mumbling.. Plus some rubbish about 'expatriation' (who says that?)not being where we belong.. Christ if they made Guantanamo inmates watch this stuff the war on terror would be over in no time. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Who here would hire this guy? |
I'd give him a chance. Maybe he's made some poor choices in the past which play a role in where he is now, I don't know, but I do know that systematic factors (global systematic factors) entirely outside his control have as well, and I'm unwilling to translate his lack of prosperity into a lack of worth. A society should always afford opportunity to those who have fallen down, so that they can get back up if they really want to, and I'm not entirely sure this fellow has such opportunities open to him right now. |
My issue would not be about his lack of success, but more in how he presents himself and his experiences. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Who here would hire this guy? |
I'd give him a chance. Maybe he's made some poor choices in the past which play a role in where he is now, I don't know, but I do know that systematic factors (global systematic factors) entirely outside his control have as well, and I'm unwilling to translate his lack of prosperity into a lack of worth. A society should always afford opportunity to those who have fallen down, so that they can get back up if they really want to, and I'm not entirely sure this fellow has such opportunities open to him right now. |
My issue would not be about his lack of success, but more in how he presents himself and his experiences. |
What the fellow whines about in his youtube blogs is not necessarily how he presents himself in a professional environment, but even if he did come in and whine to a co-worker about how crazy his last girlfriend was or something, that's not necessarily a big deal so long as it doesn't seriously affect productivity.
We should generally try to be as generous as possible to our fellow man. It's compassionate. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| We should generally try to be as generous as possible to our fellow man. It's compassionate. |
True but hiring a guy would probably (unless he was the only candidate) involve a selection process. You'd have to judge the way he presents himself and his past expereicnes against others. And chances are he'd come off worse. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| We should generally try to be as generous as possible to our fellow man. It's compassionate. |
True but hiring a guy would probably (unless he was the only candidate) involve a selection process. |
Right, and said selection process is probably part of what keeps him (and many people who are otherwise perfectly capable of doing any number of jobs, especially the long-term unemployed) down. It doesn't matter if you're objectively competent to work a given job, what matters is if you are relatively more competent (at least seemingly so, if not actually) than the competition at any given interview. This wouldn't necessarily be such a big deal in a welfare society, but in a society like America, where being unemployed is often synonymous with being undeserving and unvirtuous, the consequences can be both severe and hard to recover from. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Careful Creeper, this guy worked in China because he doesn't have a degree. You might end up encouraging more back packers to head out your way (not Korea) if you expose them to this. Not what you want is it? |
A TEFL Certificate with some initiative to learn grammer is more important than a Bachelor's when it comes to teaching unless the Bachelor's is in Education or possibly English. The one good thing about requiring college degrees, which is I think what you're talking about, is it helps to separate the louts from quality people, although looking at this website sometimes you have to wonder.
Actually come to think of it when I taught in Thailand, the school I taught at had lots of un-degreed teachers that were not so bad at teaching, some possibly better than me, however I have never seen a school with so many louts and racists. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Right, and said selection process is probably part of what keeps him (and many people who are otherwise perfectly capable of doing any number of jobs, especially the long-term unemployed) down. It doesn't matter if you're objectively competent to work a given job, what matters is if you are relatively more competent (at least seemingly so, if not actually) than the competition at any given interview. This wouldn't necessarily be such a big deal in a welfare society, but in a society like America, where being unemployed is often synonymous with being undeserving and unvirtuous, the consequences can be both severe and hard to recover from. |
I don't know, doesn't the fact that he recorded his boss sleeping at work and posted it on youtube suggest he wasn't really capable of doing that particular job at least? |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Right, and said selection process is probably part of what keeps him (and many people who are otherwise perfectly capable of doing any number of jobs, especially the long-term unemployed) down. It doesn't matter if you're objectively competent to work a given job, what matters is if you are relatively more competent (at least seemingly so, if not actually) than the competition at any given interview. This wouldn't necessarily be such a big deal in a welfare society, but in a society like America, where being unemployed is often synonymous with being undeserving and unvirtuous, the consequences can be both severe and hard to recover from. |
I don't know, doesn't the fact that he recorded his boss sleeping at work and posted it on youtube suggest he wasn't really capable of doing that particular job at least? |
Don't confuse videobloggers.
Geomonronin never worked in Korea.
You are thinking of this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB8v2SM80hA
If I had to choose one person to employ between these two I'd go for Geomonronin. |
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markness
Joined: 02 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Right, and said selection process is probably part of what keeps him (and many people who are otherwise perfectly capable of doing any number of jobs, especially the long-term unemployed) down. It doesn't matter if you're objectively competent to work a given job, what matters is if you are relatively more competent (at least seemingly so, if not actually) than the competition at any given interview. This wouldn't necessarily be such a big deal in a welfare society, but in a society like America, where being unemployed is often synonymous with being undeserving and unvirtuous, the consequences can be both severe and hard to recover from. |
I don't know, doesn't the fact that he recorded his boss sleeping at work and posted it on youtube suggest he wasn't really capable of doing that particular job at least? |
Don't confuse videobloggers.
Geomonronin never worked in Korea.
You are thinking of this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB8v2SM80hA
If I had to choose one person to employ between these two I'd go for Geomonronin. |
True. And at least the miserable character left the country instead of staying and being toxic to his peers like some other people do (not you btw). |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Right, and said selection process is probably part of what keeps him (and many people who are otherwise perfectly capable of doing any number of jobs, especially the long-term unemployed) down. It doesn't matter if you're objectively competent to work a given job, what matters is if you are relatively more competent (at least seemingly so, if not actually) than the competition at any given interview. This wouldn't necessarily be such a big deal in a welfare society, but in a society like America, where being unemployed is often synonymous with being undeserving and unvirtuous, the consequences can be both severe and hard to recover from.
I don't know, doesn't the fact that he recorded his boss sleeping at work and posted it on youtube suggest he wasn't really capable of doing that particular job at least?
Don't confuse videobloggers.
Geomonronin never worked in Korea.
You are thinking of this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB8v2SM80hA
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Oh yeah you're right. Sorry Geomonromin |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| I watched a few of his videos years ago when I was thinking about working in China, and he seems like a likable enough guy. And at least he's shouldering the responsibilities for whatever problems he's facing and isn't blaming everyone for everything. Here's hoping he runs into better things down the road. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| This guy could not teach in Korea. He does not have a university degree. |
But, what about all those foreigners with fake diploma? Korea is just littered with those AIDs infested child teaching waygooks. |
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