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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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I am just sick and tired of foreigner coming to Korea and treating my trade like the filth at the bottom of one's shoes, an afterthought. They come over here and go to class unprepared, hungover and trying to get into the pants of their co-workers, and if they could, their students. It's a mockery. They don't have the proper training and it results in these kinds of threads.
I admit sometimes I struggle with classroom management, but that is from kids who CANNOT be controlled--by me, or my co-worker and it is really only limited to the young ones--children I did not want to teach or go to college to learn how to teach.
I just can't stand people who come over here thinking teaching is a simpleton's job and anyone can do it. Yes, Korea promotes that illusion by hiring any ole Joe off the street, but that's not the case once they get into the classroom.
It's like me, a certified teacher, going into an architects office and start messing with his plans and claiming I know what I'm doing. He'd look at me like "get outta here!" "Teachers" here just need to stop treating this as a vacation/frat party and go back home and make something of themselves in their own profession. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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I am just sick and tired of foreigner coming to Korea and treating my trade like the filth at the bottom of one's shoes, an afterthought. They come over here and go to class unprepared, hungover and trying to get into the pants of their co-workers, and if they could, their students. It's a mockery. They don't have the proper training and it results in these kinds of threads.
I admit sometimes I struggle with classroom management, but that is from kids who CANNOT be controlled--by me, or my co-worker and it is really only limited to the young ones--children I did not want to teach or go to college to learn how to teach.
I just can't stand people who come over here thinking teaching is a simpleton's job and anyone can do it. Yes, Korea promotes that illusion by hiring any ole Joe off the street, but that's not the case once they get into the classroom.
It's like me, a certified teacher, going into an architects office and start messing with his plans and claiming I know what I'm doing. He'd look at me like "get outta here!" "Teachers" here just need to stop treating this as a vacation/frat party and go back home and make something of themselves in their own profession. |
I trained hundreds if not thousands of foreign teachers in Korea and vast majority of them work hard to help their students. Now a days, most have some qualifications (TESOL, CELTA, Bachelor of Education, Master of Education, Master of TESOL, etc) at least for public school. We evenhave a few teachers that are published in our program now. Sure they may drink on weekends but who cares if they do. It's their life and their time after work.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| I don't know where you get this impression of football hooligans from. It hasn't been a major problem in the UK for a couple of decades now. Sure, there are scuffles every now and then but I would hardly say dozens get trampled to death. |
Refs stabbed. Refs shot. Milwall fans beating each other up during a Cup semifinal. And this was just this year.
Sorry, but the fact that every game features a line of police separating fans says all you need to know about the state of "civilized behavior" when it comes to soccer fans from "advanced" England. That's pretty pathetic that the people there are that uncivilized that rival fans need a line of police to separate them to prevent the situation from descending into violence and chaos.
Is this an extreme picture? Somewhat. But it's the equivalent portrayal being done to Koreans. Just as British culture and development is more than hooliganism, Koreans are more than some of their foibles.
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| Also, why do you use violent crime as a measurement of civility? How about prostitution, pedophilia, xenophobia, corruption, nepotism, misogynistic adultery laws, etc? Korea certainly has plenty of those problems. |
Because violent crime is the single most influential factor. All of those other things are bad, but violence and danger is the worst.
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| Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. |
Well there is that to be said. War is good for creation. On the other hand, that certainly changes the moral view of the situation, and I think the moral component is a big part of things.
Does invention and art justify rape and murder? Does invasion, conquest, and colonization justify the creation of a new nation and developments in the arts and sciences?
I guess the answer is- How does it affect me? |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yet again SR distracts from the topic with irrelevant anecdotes. Sorry tell you, Steelie, a fight at a soccer match, no matter how big, has pretty much nothing to do with making a country 'developed' or not. Yes, it's nice to sit there and lament this 'uncivilized' behaviour, but until humanity erases all criminal activities we have to accept that some idiots will be idiots in every country. What matters is how institutionalized these crimes are, whether there is a sufficient police and judiciary protections and how the whole society deals with these issues.
A riot breaks out at a soccer match in England. Deplorable, but police intervene, try to protect the innocent, a fair and balanced legal system tries those responsible and the community tries to prevent this from happening again. An older man sexually assaults a child in Korea. The parents are affraid to report it, but maybe do. The police don't believe them, but maybe they do. The court says the man was drunk and therefore not responsible, maybe he gets a slap on the wrist. That is 'developing country'. But, hey, it's changing and this is a topic of debate even among experts.
I'm sure you'll come back with some more irrelevant "facts" that mean nothing. And it'll be looooooooooong and angry and put words in my mouth. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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And what attracted steelrails to Korea? Surely it's not him being Japanese.  |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know where you get this impression of football hooligans from. It hasn't been a major problem in the UK for a couple of decades now. Sure, there are scuffles every now and then but I would hardly say dozens get trampled to death. |
Refs stabbed. Refs shot. Milwall fans beating each other up during a Cup semifinal. And this was just this year.
Sorry, but the fact that every game features a line of police separating fans says all you need to know about the state of "civilized behavior" when it comes to soccer fans from "advanced" England. That's pretty pathetic that the people there are that uncivilized that rival fans need a line of police to separate them to prevent the situation from descending into violence and chaos.
Is this an extreme picture? Somewhat. But it's the equivalent portrayal being done to Koreans. Just as British culture and development is more than hooliganism, Koreans are more than some of their foibles.
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| Also, why do you use violent crime as a measurement of civility? How about prostitution, pedophilia, xenophobia, corruption, nepotism, misogynistic adultery laws, etc? Korea certainly has plenty of those problems. |
Because violent crime is the single most influential factor. All of those other things are bad, but violence and danger is the worst.
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| Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. |
Well there is that to be said. War is good for creation. On the other hand, that certainly changes the moral view of the situation, and I think the moral component is a big part of things.
Does invention and art justify rape and murder? Does invasion, conquest, and colonization justify the creation of a new nation and developments in the arts and sciences?
I guess the answer is- How does it affect me? |
What you are doing is overplaying one element of another country to support your argument, whilst conveniently glossing over any points that might counter your position. I agree that violence is a blight on UK society, but are you saying that some drunk working class males fighting is evidence of a society more rotten than one that boasts SE Asia's main clients of child prostitutes, or still imprisons unfaithful wives despite the fact that hookers are on very street? I know you aren't that stupid. |
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jjajangmyun
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: way down south!
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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man why does everyone hafta be so mean to each other?
i wish i could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and we'd all eat it and be happy. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
I am just sick and tired of foreigner coming to Korea and treating my trade like the filth at the bottom of one's shoes, an afterthought. They come over here and go to class unprepared, hungover and trying to get into the pants of their co-workers, and if they could, their students. It's a mockery. They don't have the proper training and it results in these kinds of threads.
I admit sometimes I struggle with classroom management, but that is from kids who CANNOT be controlled--by me, or my co-worker and it is really only limited to the young ones--children I did not want to teach or go to college to learn how to teach.
I just can't stand people who come over here thinking teaching is a simpleton's job and anyone can do it. Yes, Korea promotes that illusion by hiring any ole Joe off the street, but that's not the case once they get into the classroom.
It's like me, a certified teacher, going into an architects office and start messing with his plans and claiming I know what I'm doing. He'd look at me like "get outta here!" "Teachers" here just need to stop treating this as a vacation/frat party and go back home and make something of themselves in their own profession. |
LOL! You doing an Architect's job is not at all the same as an Architect doing your job. With a little bit of coaching, and a co-teacher, an Architect has done your job very well. I've worked with one.
Anyway, I thought REAL alpha-teachers got REAL alpha-jobs in International Schools. Too bad without all your experience in the trade you couldn't land one of these jobs. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sure you'll come back with some more irrelevant "facts" that mean nothing. And it'll be looooooooooong and angry and put words in my mouth. |
hahahaha
I think it works on inverse proportions, often when I have a go at Steelie Dan, I will write something comparatively long and just get a few brief comments in return, if anything. But I've seen people shoot one-liners his way that were countered with skyscraper walls of text. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| I'm sure you'll come back with some more irrelevant "facts" that mean nothing. And it'll be looooooooooong and angry and put words in my mouth. |
hahahaha
I think it works on inverse proportions, often when I have a go at Steelie Dan, I will write something comparatively long and just get a few brief comments in return, if anything. But I've seen people shoot one-liners his way that were countered with skyscraper walls of text. |
Intriguing. Possible explains why I on a board that trends negative, I go positive. Always in inverse to whats around. Makes me wonder if I'd turn into a black hole of negativity if Dave's turned into some sort of Simon & Martina Kcheerleading zone.
Perhaps this is all because...oh wait...I'm starting to ramble... |
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ghohn
Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| i wish i could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and we'd all eat it and be happy. |
"She doesn't even go to school here!" - Well played, jjajangmyun.
Back to the topic at hand.
Why I came to Korea;
1. When I taught in Hawaii, I had students from all over Asia. The Japanese kids were always so polite.
2. Korea was pretty close to Japan so ....
Why I stay;
1. Great job. No stress.
2. Money.
3. Vacation. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyone and EVERYONE who said they came here for the girls might as well have just said they couldn't get any, not even from fat ugly chicks, back home. You are a LOSER and have no game whatsoever if you came here for the girls plain and simple. Now I know who you all are, lol what pariahs and outcasts I share a profession with, wow. Actually I AM a real teacher, so all you fake teachers should get out and go into whatever field it was you went to college for. Stop infiltrating and treating my profession as a major inconvenience during the week in between your binges at the bar on the weekends. You are sabotaging my line of work and defiling it. Get out. |
In other words: "Hi, my name is Poindexter. I'm a real teacher and you're not. This makes you less than human and by putting you down, I have one area in my life to feel superior in. No, for all of my degrees, the Koreans would be rid of me if they could for a handsome teacher. But, I'm a real teacher and a legend in my own mind!" |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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In other words: "Hi, my name is Poindexter. |
Boy, sure are dating yourself with that one.....What's next? References to Ollie North, C. Everett Koop, Robert Bork, and Tip O'Neill?
Weigookin 74's greatest hits, now available for your Walkman. Play the game on your Tandy PC, or record his special on Betamax. Sponsored by New Coke. Catch after 'Small Wonder'.
Did you know that for us elementary teachers, our students were all born after the first Matrix came out? And this year is the 20th anniversary of Jurassic Park.... |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, didn't know that "real teachers" worked for years in ESL. Thought they either worked in their own countries or went to international schools. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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In other words: "Hi, my name is Poindexter. |
Boy, sure are dating yourself with that one.....What's next? References to Ollie North, C. Everett Koop, Robert Bork, and Tip O'Neill?
Weigookin 74's greatest hits, now available for your Walkman. Play the game on your Tandy PC, or record his special on Betamax. Sponsored by New Coke. Catch after 'Small Wonder'.
Did you know that for us elementary teachers, our students were all born after the first Matrix came out? And this year is the 20th anniversary of Jurassic Park.... |
Keep toking, must be some good stuff.... (As for knowing some of who these people are, you must be pretty old yourself.) |
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