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How are mixed white and korean kids treated in schools?
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maximmm



Joined: 01 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the experiences of bi-racial kids here will vary from being very positive or very negative. Seldom, however, will they be neutral.

Hence, you have parents that scream 'they are so popular here!' to parents that say 'they are having major issues with racism/discrimination'.

Those that say that their kids are popular and have absolutely no problems have to remember that the instances of bi-racial kids in Korea being discriminated against are too many to count, even in today's Korea.

There are, I suspect, many factors that come into play when determining how much discrimination (if any) your kid may experience. The skin color/teacher's views on bi-racial kids/appearance (some appear more Asian than others) are all important factors. Being different from the peers does increase the odds of a kid being discriminated/bullied at school, but I suppose it also increases the odds of a kid becoming a star of a sort. This, of course, reinforces the notion that kids will seldom encounter neutral treatment. This is factually true not only in Korea but in pretty much every other nation in the world.

Having said that, I do think that the odds of a bi-racial kid having negative experience are a bit higher here than they are elsewhere (Japan not withstanding) due to the existence of pure-blood concept.
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joelove



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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess that sums it up. The pure blood myth lingers and still plays an important role. It makes ya wonder how many children will be taught and learn to believe this nonsense. How many will believe in their own "unmixed" genetic superiority or their specialness? If there are many adults believing in a thing, you can be sure many children will come to believe it too.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The majority of people who left Korea don't post on this forum anymore, so you do get a bias toward those that chose to stay.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
The majority of people who left Korea don't post on this forum anymore, so you do get a bias toward those that chose to stay.


I agree with that. I've known a lot of ppl that have left Korea, especially when their children were school age, and they haven't looked back.

If/when I leave, I doubt very much I'd think of posting on here.
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tob55



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get right down to it, my daughter is likely to have far less problems being a child from a bi-racial family, who is of dual nationality than I face as someone who received Korean naturalization as an adult.

What I mean is that from her perspective she has the opportunity to see change in the way she is perceived by others, while on the other hand, as an adult I am likely to face indefinitely the constant barrage of comments from Korean nationals, referring to me as a foreigner, regarless of my legal status as a Korean citizen.

I read through all the posts on this thread, and everyone is making their point for a position on the issue, but really we should remember that the purpose of an article like the one that was written in the Korea Times or any major news outlet anywhere in the world is not devoid of a given "agenda."

Go to any country in the world and children will face the same things they face here. Racism or the propensity for discrimination is not territorial or bound by cultural mores. It takes educating ourselves and others to the fact that we all have a responsibility to do our best in letting those we love know and understand that they do not have to be seen as "different" or "less important" in the eyes of anyone.

My daughter is too young to understand this conversation right now at 16 months old, but someday in the future when she is able to understand it, I hope she is able to say proudly that she is who she is, and that others should respect the fact that her heritage, while unique in some ways, is what makes her the great person she is. IMHO
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a gyopo and if I get to marry a K-woman and eventually have school-aged kids, the whole family should leave Korea ASAP.

Korea is not a suitable country for ethnic Koreans who were raised in the West Civilization.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:

Go to any country in the world and children will face the same things they face here. Racism or the propensity for discrimination is not territorial or bound by cultural mores.


I really think you're lying to yourself on this point.

I remember my East Indian friend facing some racism in the early 1980s in Canada, but things have improved a lot since then. But Korea today seems to be how Canada was in 1980, or maybe even earlier.

And the number of foreigners per school will be so small, a foreign child could possibly be very isolated. If you look at a class in Canada, there won't be only one minority student, and the teachers won't all be the majority race either.

And on the cultural point. If a society defines itself in a race based way, that culture will treat other races differently than a culture which doesn't define itself based on race. Ask yourself "what is a Korean?" then ask "What is an American?" for example.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
"What is an American?" for example.

Depends who you ask this to. There are many, particularly older Americans, that will give you a pretty 'old-fashioned' answer when asked in private. But in public is usually the least offending answer. Just like when you ask Europeans what they really think of immigration into their countries, dig a little deeper and you'll get the real answer.
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chrisinkorea2011



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a product of a korean mother and german/cherokee indian father and I have no problems saying "mixed, half, etc" there really is nothing wrong with that term.

As for the person who stated that the chinese form of 혼 meaning something, in that form of 혼혈 it is more apt to mean mixed/blended which i think is a positive term.

Of course i tell all the koreans I know who compliment me that im a "hybrid" to confuse the hell out of them ^^
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Who's Your Daddy?



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
"What is an American?" for example.

Depends who you ask this to. There are many, particularly older Americans, that will give you a pretty 'old-fashioned' answer when asked in private. But in public is usually the least offending answer. Just like when you ask Europeans what they really think of immigration into their countries, dig a little deeper and you'll get the real answer.


But I think the answer wouldn't be "old fashioned" in Korea, that would be their current answer.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisinkorea2011 wrote:
I am a product of a korean mother and german/cherokee indian father and I have no problems saying "mixed, half, etc" there really is nothing wrong with that term.

As for the person who stated that the chinese form of 혼 meaning something, in that form of 혼혈 it is more apt to mean mixed/blended which i think is a positive term.

Of course i tell all the koreans I know who compliment me that im a "hybrid" to confuse the hell out of them ^^


hahaha - I kind of dig that term - Hybrid.

I am worried though that someone will start using the term "fusion kids".
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chrisinkorea2011



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
chrisinkorea2011 wrote:
I am a product of a korean mother and german/cherokee indian father and I have no problems saying "mixed, half, etc" there really is nothing wrong with that term.

As for the person who stated that the chinese form of 혼 meaning something, in that form of 혼혈 it is more apt to mean mixed/blended which i think is a positive term.

Of course i tell all the koreans I know who compliment me that im a "hybrid" to confuse the hell out of them ^^


hahaha - I kind of dig that term - Hybrid.

I am worried though that someone will start using the term "fusion kids".


haha i havent heard it yet but im sure someone will come up with something like that eventually.

I actually have never faced any kind of racism in korea regarding my mixed heritage/hybridness although im the only korean american guy i know who has blond dyed hair so its not hard to tell im not a full blooded korean lol But my cousin who is black/african american and korean has experienced quite a bit of racism from both sides.

All in all i think being a product of korea and any country (or any country mix) is a blessing. But maybe im just being super positive because its sports day at my school lol
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Adam Carolla



Joined: 26 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
"What is an American?" for example.

Depends who you ask this to. There are many, particularly older Americans, that will give you a pretty 'old-fashioned' answer when asked in private. But in public is usually the least offending answer. Just like when you ask Europeans what they really think of immigration into their countries, dig a little deeper and you'll get the real answer.


This type of post makes me vomit in my mouth. Yes, there is racism in Europe and the U.S. But even the most virulent racists (ok, maybe there are one or two, but don't pretend they are the majority) in the U.S. don't question an American's citizenship based on skin color.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Carolla wrote:
jvalmer wrote:
Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
"What is an American?" for example.

Depends who you ask this to. There are many, particularly older Americans, that will give you a pretty 'old-fashioned' answer when asked in private. But in public is usually the least offending answer. Just like when you ask Europeans what they really think of immigration into their countries, dig a little deeper and you'll get the real answer.


This type of post makes me vomit in my mouth. Yes, there is racism in Europe and the U.S. But even the most virulent racists (ok, maybe there are one or two, but don't pretend they are the majority) in the U.S. don't question an American's citizenship based on skin color.



Have you been to the American SW?
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Adam Carolla



Joined: 26 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
Adam Carolla wrote:
jvalmer wrote:
Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
"What is an American?" for example.

Depends who you ask this to. There are many, particularly older Americans, that will give you a pretty 'old-fashioned' answer when asked in private. But in public is usually the least offending answer. Just like when you ask Europeans what they really think of immigration into their countries, dig a little deeper and you'll get the real answer.


This type of post makes me vomit in my mouth. Yes, there is racism in Europe and the U.S. But even the most virulent racists (ok, maybe there are one or two, but don't pretend they are the majority) in the U.S. don't question an American's citizenship based on skin color.



Have you been to the American SW?


You again, really?

Edit: Derr...Duh people in duh SW are racismists cuz theyz have lotz of illegalz immigrantz from duh Mecksico. Duh. Dis line of non-reasoning means all Mericanz iz rasists. Duh. Cuz dis meanz all Mericanz hatz brauwn skinz peplz. Derr.

Is this a summation of your position T-J?
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