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Julius
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 Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Why the market is flooded |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
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Why ESL in Korea will never return to being an employee's market ever again:
The low birthrate
South Korea has the lowest birthrate in the entire world. |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I probably see about 30 babies going to and from the local supermarket!
Sensationalist nonsense. There is a definite baby boom going on right now. |
Lol.
All I ever see is masses of kids clogging up the streets. Hard to believe there's a population drop underway.
Korea's pop. has never stopped growing. Most days you can hardly wlk down the street without feeling like a sardine. The last thing this country needs is more people. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Well if your personal experience is of seeing a lot of kids, the official statistics couldn't possibly be right. I might as well delete this thread now. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:02 am Post subject: |
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The birthrate is low, in fact it is abysmally low. Rare are the young families with more than one child.
This is an issue for Korea and for many of the wealthier nations.
Waygeek...look at stats before you post...
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ks&v=25 |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Well if your personal experience is of seeing a lot of kids, the official statistics couldn't possibly be right. I might as well delete this thread now. |
Thank god! |
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erasmus
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| Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| "abysmally low"? Planet before the country. We need fewer people on this planet so let's figure out a way to deal with an aging population that doesn't involve making more babies. I don't know how to do it but we had better start thinking of a better way way than spawning more consumers of our finite resources or our problems will be much larger than a decreasing population. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 6:53 am Post subject: |
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If you're suggesting "youth in Asia", I volunteer.
Shoot me 1st. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| erasmus wrote: |
| "abysmally low"? Planet before the country. We need fewer people on this planet so let's figure out a way to deal with an aging population that doesn't involve making more babies. I don't know how to do it but we had better start thinking of a better way way than spawning more consumers of our finite resources or our problems will be much larger than a decreasing population. |
That's right. These countries with falling populations - Japan, Taiwan, Korea - need to start bringing in people from other countries. But they're too xenophobic. They just don't want immigrants coming into their countries. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Why the market is flooded |
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| Julius wrote: |
| The last thing this country needs is more people. |
Well Korea could do with less negative ESL teachers for a start, I agree... |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| erasmus wrote: |
| "abysmally low"? Planet before the country. We need fewer people on this planet . |
+1
The days when people can only give their lives meaning by having kids have to end.
World population is already 7bn and destined to be 9bn in 50 years. We're in plague proportions and trashing our planet into oblivion. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Taiwan, Japan and Korea are paying families bonsues and giving them tax breaks but it's not enough. There is a pretty serious demographic problem and the only way out of it is to begin immigration programs.
I was reading about the 30G program in Japan and a lot of students from China, Indonesia, Korea and Taiwan are studying in Japan. But they leave after. They don't come to stay. And really, I don't think the Japanese really want them to stay either. In fact, such programs are designed to promote immigration of talented young people but to fill the coffers of the universities who are not meeting enrollment targets due to the decline in 18 year olds. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Why the market is flooded |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Why ESL in Korea will never return to being an employee's market ever again:
The low birthrate
South Korea has the lowest birthrate in the entire world. It is significantly lower than China's. What does this mean for you (aside from the declining usefulness of the Korean language)? Besides there being less public school students and hagwon students, there will also be less university students. The birthrate has been dropping for a long time (meaning the birthrate 20 years ago was lower than the birthrate 25 years ago, etc., etc.). The 조선 일보 recently reported a decline in university enrollment in Korea, with the expectation this would only continue (and to a greater degree) in the future.
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South Korea�s population will exceed 50 million on Saturday, making it the 26th country to reach the mark, according to a report from Statistics Korea.
Government officials said the nation is expected to hit the figure at around 6:36pm on Saturday.
Koreans take up 0.71 per cent of the world�s population of around 7.05 billion, according to the officials. The nation�s population surpassed 40 million in 1983.
The report forecasted that the population will stay above 50 million for 33 years, peaking in 2030 at 52.16 million. From 2045, the population is expected to drop back below 50 million. |
The birthrate may be dropping but the population keeps increasing.
That was just last year
http://www.asianewsnet.net/news-32310.html
Nor is it expected to drop below 50 million until 2045.
And a lot of these new people are of course going to be Korean babies.
The population rate may be rising much more slowly then before but it is expected to rise until 2030. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| erasmus wrote: |
| "abysmally low"? Planet before the country. We need fewer people on this planet so let's figure out a way to deal with an aging population that doesn't involve making more babies. I don't know how to do it but we had better start thinking of a better way way than spawning more consumers of our finite resources or our problems will be much larger than a decreasing population. |
Sorry did not realize we were talking about the PLANET. I was just talking about ONE COUNTRY. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Why the market is flooded |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The birthrate may be dropping but the population keeps increasing. |
Maybe because of the increase in life expectancy (and the increased importation of foreign brides from impoverished South Asian countries like Vietnam and the Philippines)? Are retired senior citizens and poor Cambodian wives taking English lessons from Westerners? Not usually. (It would be very uncommon for that to happen. And a double whammy is the Filipino wives teach English.) Which means...less money and a flooded market for us.
From TUM's article:
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| The fertility rate in Korea was 1.23 as of 2010, following a mostly downward trend since 1983 when it was 2.06. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Why the market is flooded |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
The birthrate may be dropping but the population keeps increasing.
That was just last year
http://www.asianewsnet.net/news-32310.html
Nor is it expected to drop below 50 million until 2045.
And a lot of these new people are of course going to be Korean babies.
The population rate may be rising much more slowly then before but it is expected to rise until 2030. |
Exactly what I suspected.
The population is rising but you still have Koreans panicking "oh no people aren't having enough babies, its a problem".
The real problem is that there are too many people. Never mind that 50M is just too much for a small country like this, the feckless idea of unlimited "growth" is not sustainable.Trying to have more just so that there's someone to pay tax for the old folks is ultimately accentuating the problem.
We're headed to a brick wall and they're trying to make us accelerate. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 3:20 am Post subject: Re: Why the market is flooded |
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[. And a double whammy is the Filipino wives teach English.) Which means...less money and a flooded market for us.
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Legally they can't. I doubt too many are going to try and risk deportation. Not only...the type of Filipina that is going to marry some old farmer is not likely to have great English skills. Added to that he is going to want her at home to take care of the kids, cook his meals and keep him warm at night. Not going around the town and teaching English.
Add in all those factors and we have nothing to worry about.
Seriously people have been complaining about this since at least 2004 "Oh no, Filipinos are going to come over and take our jobs."
And it has never happened despite the many threads about this.
Sorry Chicken Little but I've become rather jaded to the screams of "The sky is falling, the sky is falling." |
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