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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Are the vast majority of Koreans racist?
Ask them what they think of Japanese people. |
Are Japanese people a race?
And as for that
http://thediplomat.com/a-new-japan/2011/04/18/post-earthquake-japan-korea-ties/
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| The government was not the only helping hand. On March 12, the Chosun Daily initiated a movement for donations from Korean citizens, which drew more than 10,000 participants in a single day and led actions from other media and public organizations. The Korean Red Cross amassed over $19 million in 2 weeks�the largest amount of voluntary donation at times of natural disasters both in and outside Korea. Myeongdong, the most well-known tourist spot for Japanese, displayed a banner saying, �Cheer up, Japanese friends. We are always with you,� while the Korean Salvation Army appealed for charitable donations from passersby. Even the Korean comfort women, victims of Japanese colonialism who�ve demonstrated at the Japanese embassy every Wednesday for the past 19 years, observed a time for mourning and donated money for Japan on March 16. In 3 weeks, South Korean donations reportedly amounted to a total of $46 million. |
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| In an opinion survey conducted by YTN, JoongAng Daily, and the East Asia Institute in March, 76.4 percent of respondents supported the idea of collecting money for, and dispatching rescuers to, Japan. |
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That was a great thing, but sorry you are going to have a hard time convincing me there isn't some serious hatred against Japanese people in Korea.
Is it a race? Well really there is only one race, the human race, right? |
I think Koreans might distinguish between the Japanese people and the Japanese government. Much as they might distinguish between the United States government and the American people.
They have a clear hatred of the Japanese government. But, as the aid shows, they seem to be more accepting towards the Japanese people.
I have half Japanese kids in my school. People know they are half-Japanese. No one is tarring and feathering them. Some are quite popular. Sorry that doesn't fit the narrative fantasy that some posters have concerning Koreans, but that's the case. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
Are the vast majority of Koreans racist?
Ask them what they think of Japanese people. |
Are Japanese people a race?
And as for that
http://thediplomat.com/a-new-japan/2011/04/18/post-earthquake-japan-korea-ties/
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| The government was not the only helping hand. On March 12, the Chosun Daily initiated a movement for donations from Korean citizens, which drew more than 10,000 participants in a single day and led actions from other media and public organizations. The Korean Red Cross amassed over $19 million in 2 weeks�the largest amount of voluntary donation at times of natural disasters both in and outside Korea. Myeongdong, the most well-known tourist spot for Japanese, displayed a banner saying, �Cheer up, Japanese friends. We are always with you,� while the Korean Salvation Army appealed for charitable donations from passersby. Even the Korean comfort women, victims of Japanese colonialism who�ve demonstrated at the Japanese embassy every Wednesday for the past 19 years, observed a time for mourning and donated money for Japan on March 16. In 3 weeks, South Korean donations reportedly amounted to a total of $46 million. |
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| In an opinion survey conducted by YTN, JoongAng Daily, and the East Asia Institute in March, 76.4 percent of respondents supported the idea of collecting money for, and dispatching rescuers to, Japan. |
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That was a great thing, but sorry you are going to have a hard time convincing me there isn't some serious hatred against Japanese people in Korea.
Is it a race? Well really there is only one race, the human race, right? |
I think Koreans might distinguish between the Japanese people and the Japanese government. Much as they might distinguish between the United States government and the American people.
They have a clear hatred of the Japanese government. But, as the aid shows, they seem to be more accepting towards the Japanese people.
I have half Japanese kids in my school. People know they are half-Japanese. No one is tarring and feathering them. Some are quite popular. Sorry that doesn't fit the narrative fantasy that some posters have concerning Koreans, but that's the case. |
I have some half japanese kids in my class too. They do fine from what I see as a NET. That doesn't change the rhetoric I hear about how terrible the japanese people are and how hated they are. It doesn't change the fact that from what I have seen from my time here the majority of Koreans I know are admittedly racist against Japanese people. Call me a liar if you want, I'm just relaying my personal experience.
Hey, I had some Korean friends that went into great detail about how much they hated Japanese people to me. I happened to spend a few weeks with some Japanese tourists in Korea, and we happened to run into those very same Korean people. You would have never known about the things they said when the Japanese people weren't around. It was pretty surreal. Kind of like when I know a white person hates black people, but they conceal it whenever a black person is around.
The Korea/Japan feud is no secret, geez, I can't believe you are even trying to hide this. haha, whatever man. History makes the whole situation self explanatory, but that doesn't change the fact that it is still racism. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Again, are you sure it was the people or the government they hated?
I guess you could also use "nation" alongside government. Korean anger at Japan as a whole might not match their feelings and interactions towards individual Japanese.
I think anyone would be a fool to deny there isn't an intense disdain for "Japan" but whether that is more towards the nation and government or towards the people as a whole or towards individual people is a question that deserves further scrutiny. I lean towards the "Hate the government, with unpleasant, but mixed feelings towards the nation, nervous, but cautiously hopeful feelings towards "the people" and at the very least, civility towards individuals.
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it's a sample of one, but my wife hates the Japanese government, but holds no hatred for individual Japanese people. When we lived back home, she had a couple of good Japanese friends.
But when you have Japanese politicians coming out and defending the use of comfort women during the war as necessary, it's understandable that antipathy would remain high all these years later. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Given that a VAST majority...(a landslide majority) of Koreans were in favour of supporting Japan and the amount of money that was raised in a few short weeks...I think you'd have a harder time convincing me that the serious hatred is much more than a few fringe groups who just yell louder than the other groups. |
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joelove
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| A strange thing happens when a person becomes real to you; if you can speak the same language it helps. Then that person is no longer part of a group and not just an idea. Most people like to belong to groups though, and are fond of their ideas about others. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 2:45 am Post subject: |
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When someone writes Korean people being racist toward the Japanese. Not liking the Japanese is what you meant to say.
this is not about the Japanese 'race" the anger does not stem from false stereotypes but from actions taken by the Japanese government. Gee whiz. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| A strange thing happens when a person becomes real to you; if you can speak the same language it helps. Then that person is no longer part of a group and not just an idea. Most people like to belong to groups though, and are fond of their ideas about others. |
The problem comes when people stop being self-referenced and instead rely on the group to do their thinking and give them their identity. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:55 am Post subject: Re: No racism in this Korea! |
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There is no racism in this Korea. It was brought here by Japan, but Dokdo is our land and the Japanese are monkeys, so we drove them out of this Korea. Also, Korea is a peninsula, so it has many cultures. And only we can use metal chopsticks. We're not racist; we're Korean.
Understand now? |
Obviously a Troll. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:41 am Post subject: |
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The majority of Koreans I've personally met hate the Japs, but my wife loves everything about Japan. She does a very good job of hiding this fact from fellow Koreans, but it's interesting to me because I've never met another Korean that would admit 'loving everything about Japanese culture' to me.
So. Hmmm. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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I've noticed that the wealthier a Korean person is, and whether or not they are religious, tends to correlate to their attitudes towards Japan, and the Japanese people.
Those who are wealthy and have a strong interest in history or business/economics tend to credit the Japanese as more organized and responsible for Korea's development. My Korean boss back home railed on Korean workers for always striking and forming unions while Japanese companies and workers always sought to avoid such things and come amicable arrangements. While both would have their "Dokdo is Korean" moments, those were in the context of larger negotiated settlements, not ideology. Then of course you had the weeaboo types that were into JPop, JFood, and anime. Korean Christians also had a strong tendency towards optimistic attitudes towards Japanese, for obvious reasons.
Now come to Korea and talk to some non-religious farmer/factory worker/technician/3rd rate office guy and yeah, you'll get different results on attitudes.
Also sometimes, one has to watch to check how serious the anti-whoever statements are. Sometimes they are serious rants and hatreds. Other times its the equivalent of how English speakers tend to bash the French. They're the rivals the fates have chosen for us and the convenient easy target for jeers. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| A strange thing happens when a person becomes real to you; if you can speak the same language it helps. Then that person is no longer part of a group and not just an idea. Most people like to belong to groups though, and are fond of their ideas about others. |
The problem comes when people stop being self-referenced and instead rely on the group to do their thinking and give them their identity. |
I think it is a real problem, not just some philosophical exercise. You can see how important identity is to most people when they speak of where they are from. The culture has influenced them deeply of course, and their nationality has a strong psychological importance beyond the fact of being where they are from. They may regard others from the same place or maybe of the same ethnicity as being part of their group, their people. In making these groups we are also separating ourselves in a way not much different from sports teams in a league. Taken to an extreme it is very dangerous. When you cheer for your country in an international event it is harmless enough though you are cheering for yourself too. When you fight for your country it is dangerous as hell, and we wonder why people die for this idea, this thing we call identity and treat with such importance.
It's kind of hard I guess to not take into account where someone is from. We are all very heavily influenced by that. It's just terribly dangerous and violent to make all this so important. We are all the same in a lot of ways, and as screwed up as many cultures can be, the people are exactly like we are in that they are also totally shaped by them. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Also sometimes, one has to watch to check how serious the anti-whoever statements are. Sometimes they are serious rants and hatreds. Other times its the equivalent of how English speakers tend to bash the French. They're the rivals the fates have chosen for us and the convenient easy target for jeers. |
Whether they are serious or not, and whether they are talking about the government or the people is not something that would defend using racial slurs or making racist comments. I have Korean friends that could care less about whether someone is Japanese or not, but I can't think of a time I have seen someone stop a racist rant or show a sign of disapproval at racist comments made toward Japanese people. That includes being in a classroom at an elementary school.
The question of whether Korean is racist would include all races, not just white people. I think that is what some people are missing here.
I'm still kind of puzzled about the people claiming the majority of Koreans don't hate Japan. This is obvious. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Whether they are serious or not, and whether they are talking about the government or the people is not something that would defend using racial slurs or making racist comments. |
Seems to be acceptable on this site under the guise of "venting".
In theory, "frog" and "redneck" are racist terms. In practice they tend to be done in far more benign "non-serious" terms. People aren't generally going to grind a dinner to a halt to chew someone out for an obviously non-serious joke about the French or if someone uses the word redneck. And in the case of "redneck" there actually is complete and utter disdain for that segment of the population sometimes.
A lot of times, its done purely for hate and should be denounced. Sometimes its done in a "they're our rivals" sense the way Americans or British bash the French.
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| but I can't think of a time I have seen someone stop a racist rant or show a sign of disapproval at racist comments made toward Japanese people. |
Koreans tend not to be as confrontational. Sometimes disapproval is shown by doing something very innocuous. Often it involves the person subtly ignoring the speaker or fiddling with something.
Of course I can't think of a time I've seen a Dave's full-blown basher/complainer disapprove of a racist rant or racist complaint about Koreans.
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| I'm still kind of puzzled about the people claiming the majority of Koreans don't hate Japan. This is obvious. |
I don't think anyone is claiming that per se. I think it's more like hate vs. discomfort or distrust and whether that is directed at Japan the nation or the Japanese people.
Hating the government is not the same as hating the people. I hate the government of North Korea, does that mean I hate Koreans or have any racist feelings towards them? |
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cabeza
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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If I mention Japan or Japanese in class, usually one person will shout out "monkey". These are university aged kids.
I lived in Ireland for 2 years, and I hear a lot more vitriol in Korea towards the Japanese then i ever heard in Ireland towards the British.
I've also worked in language schools back home where Koreans and Japanese were best friends, couples, flatmates. |
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