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Lending money to a Korean... any sort of guarantee?
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chaz47



Joined: 11 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:23 pm    Post subject: Lending money to a Korean... any sort of guarantee? Reply with quote

So, I have this Korean friend. She is a flight attendant and I've known her for many years. She recently got offered a job with Qatar but won't start for another 6 weeks. Unfortunately she's been having problems with her inner ear and needs a surgery before she starts work with the new airline.

I'm totally clueless as to the nature of the inner ear but I do know Koreans seem to have a penchant for unnecessary surgery. I have lent her money in the past and she has repaid it... this time however it could be up to a million won (apparently her current airline, Zest, has crap insurance). She has offered to give me her passport as a a guarantee of repayment.

Is that any sort of guarantee? Is there any sort of formal document or IOU, etc. that would be valid in court? I mean, I had the Labor Board wipe their arses with my contract after my last hagwon screwed me on severance and pension. To think that any Korean court would side with a foreigner in a matter like this makes me skeptical to say the least.

But... she has been my friend for years and I know her family is poor. This job with Qatar is the big break she's been slogging away for... for years.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remember that anytime you lend money, be prepared to lose it. I guess it's your call, but I remember that I lent whom I thought was a reliable Bible-thumping friend I met in Los Angeles 2.5 million won (he was Korean American) for less urgent needs and I never heard from him again.
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This job with Qatar is the big break she's been slogging away for... for years.


Oh they'll break her alright! Shocked
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Hootsmon



Joined: 22 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say lending to a Korean is the same as lending to anyone else. If they're really your friend, you have nothing to worry about. If they're just sort of a friend you see sometimes, then you need to think about it.

A friend recently lent me 5 million won and I would rather sell all my possessions than not pay back a single penny, because he is my friend. If you can't trust your friends, you're in trouble.

That said, I only have a few close friends I'd trust with large sums of money. The rest are just "mates" I enjoy meeting for beers but not much more.
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Lynns



Joined: 19 Mar 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this situation, how are you going to hold her passport? She needs it to work, and she needs to work in order to repay the loan, so you're not going to be able to hold onto the passport, right?

She needs a million but it doesn't have to be all on you. Offer her 200,000 (if you can afford to lose it) and she can raise the rest from other friends. Actually I think she'll try that much harder to repay it if it threatens several friendships rather than just one. And if she ends up not being able to repay for some reason, you'll be glad you didn't give her the whole amount.

She probably fully intends to repay it, but unanticipated problems can arise. It's nice to help a friend but you also have to protect yourself, assuming you can't afford to lose a million.
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In_Exile



Joined: 29 Oct 2010
Location: Sindorim

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had 2 friends who recently got jobs with Qatar but were later let go due to medical issues. One had minor surgery to remove a cyst 4 years ago and the other had the tip of her finger cut off due to a childhood accident. Both issues did not affect their current health.

Its likely your friend will be let go after her medical. Qatar is really anal about these medical checks. sucks..
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tran.huongthu



Joined: 23 May 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
Just remember that anytime you lend money, be prepared to lose it. I guess it's your call, but I remember that I lent whom I thought was a reliable Bible-thumping friend I met in Los Angeles 2.5 million won (he was Korean American) for less urgent needs and I never heard from him again.


What does bible-thumping have to do with it? Obviously he was not a true christian if he stole your money and that would make him a lying atheist. Not a wise move on your part, however I'm sure you learned a valuable lesson from it.
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Cartman



Joined: 30 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well put it this way, if she doesn't pay you back, $1000 is all it will cost to confirm that she was never a true friend. Pretty good bargain Shocked

Passport is no guarantee, but decent collateral to lay down, since it'll be a hassle for her to go through, especially since she'll need it quickly, being a flight attendant and all...
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javis



Joined: 28 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cartman wrote:
Well put it this way, if she doesn't pay you back, $1000 is all it will cost to confirm that she was never a true friend. Pretty good bargain Shocked

Passport is no guarantee, but decent collateral to lay down, since it'll be a hassle for her to go through, especially since she'll need it quickly, being a flight attendant and all...

As a bit of background info, my fiancee just replaced her Korean passport with a 4-day turn around time and minimal hassle...
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maximmm



Joined: 01 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
Just remember that anytime you lend money, be prepared to lose it. I guess it's your call, but I remember that I lent whom I thought was a reliable Bible-thumping friend I met in Los Angeles 2.5 million won (he was Korean American) for less urgent needs and I never heard from him again.


I agree - as some here have mentioned, give as much as you are willing to lose. Then again, if you do give the whole amount, be ready to lose it regardless.

I have met many different types of people. Some have great personalities but are very horrible with money. In such cases, you lose the money and a friend (since they often feel too guilty to keep in touch afterwards). Does that make them horrible people/friends? It's a tough call. After all, even good people can have horrible addictions/problems.

Also, as some here have pointed out, passport is a poor form of guarantee, especially if she will need it to actually pay the money back via her work.
One way of getting a proper insurance is to ask her to give you something that is more valuable than the loaned sum of money. I suspect though that she does not have any such items. Oh.... and hostages do not count^^
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maximmm



Joined: 01 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tran.huongthu wrote:


What does bible-thumping have to do with it? Obviously he was not a true christian if he stole your money and that would make him a lying atheist. Not a wise move on your part, however I'm sure you learned a valuable lesson from it.


Lying atheist?!^^

This might turn into a long, long discussion, especially if we start pondering about the factual aspects of most religions and whether or not they are based on facts or fiction (lying).

Aside from that - remember, even true Christians sometimes lie/steal/kill but are forgiven later on after atoning/confessing their sins.
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jjajangmyun



Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: way down south!

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tran.huongthu wrote:
What does bible-thumping have to do with it? Obviously he was not a true christian if he stole your money and that would make him a lying atheist. Not a wise move on your part, however I'm sure you learned a valuable lesson from it.


wrong.

just because that friend wasn't honest about it doesn't automatically make him an atheist. that's pretty discriminatory against atheists, wouldn't you say? like saying that a "true Korean" would never spread AIDS or have STDs so he must be a foreigner (and thus discriminating against foreigners).

you think that "true Christians" can't be liars? ha. hahaha. hahahahahaha. Laughing
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Waygeek



Joined: 27 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Lending money to a Korean... any sort of guarantee? Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
I have lent her money in the past and she has repaid it...


Not sure why you're even asking then, you know her better than us obviously.

Sounds like she needs to manage money better though.
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toby99



Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just don't lend more than you're prepared to lose.
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Neither a lender nor a borrower be..."

If she's really your friend, give her the money. If she pays it back great; if she doesn't you've done her a solid.
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