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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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As long as they don't shut down the McDonald's or Taco Bell at Itaewon. I don't care what they do to Lotte Burger.  |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| This is just an inconvenience to consumers. |
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Airborne9
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| You people seem to think big business and multinational corporations are some evil manifestations of uncontrolled greed, manipulation and the ultimate downfall of everything we hold dear and close to our hearts. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH! The biggest corporations on the planet could be eradicated in a matter of months very easily. How? DON'T BUY THEIR STUFF! But low and behold people would rather shop at large, innovative, comfortable, cheap stores with a large selection of both domestic and international goods. So, the only reason these corporations are flourishing is because the MAJORITY of consumers want them. So myself, and the rest of the majority, would be grateful if the government didn't pass laws to protect the myopic, selfish and backwards few who pine for OBSOLETE and INEFFICIENT business models. |
I have no issue with large corporations. I just thank that its in a nations and communities interest to have a strong small/medium industry. I think its okay for the government to give them certain advantages to make up for their inability to buy wholesale material at cheaper costs than a chain or franchise. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| FDNY wrote: |
| You people seem to think big business and multinational corporations are some evil manifestations of uncontrolled greed, manipulation and the ultimate downfall of everything we hold dear and close to our hearts. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH! The biggest corporations on the planet could be eradicated in a matter of months very easily. How? DON'T BUY THEIR STUFF! But low and behold people would rather shop at large, innovative, comfortable, cheap stores with a large selection of both domestic and international goods. So, the only reason these corporations are flourishing is because the MAJORITY of consumers want them. So myself, and the rest of the majority, would be grateful if the government didn't pass laws to protect the myopic, selfish and backwards few who pine for OBSOLETE and INEFFICIENT business models. |
I have no issue with large corporations. I just thank that its in a nations and communities interest to have a strong small/medium industry. I think its okay for the government to give them certain advantages to make up for their inability to buy wholesale material at cheaper costs than a chain or franchise. |
Then the government should make it possible for them to do that, such as by assisting them in setting up coops, rather than by limiting competition.
What's next, a quota system? |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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I like this actually. I'm tired of seeing a Hodudalk chicken place every block. My favorite family run samgyeopsal place was bought out by some chain restaurant as well. I guess that was the owner's fault who knows. I remember my father saying that when he would travel down the interstate, in America, you could always find those unique restaurants in each city. However, nowadays there's a McDonald's, Wendy's or some other chain store.
In another thread people were complaining about how owner's of buildings and property won't open anything risky and instead open a coffee shop. Maybe this will get people to open up a variety of places instead of that coffee shop. |
Why don't you think he sold out at a big profit? It could have been the best thing that ever happened to him.
There are still plenty of unique restaurants in the U.S. But, yea, people over the years have chosen McDonald's and the like over greasy spoons where you had no idea how clean, etc. the food was when traveling.
Of course, in Korea the little restaurants you're referring to are usually the farthest thing from unique. |
Yea, as far as the owner selling out, that's why i wrote this, " I guess that was the owner's fault who knows." Yes, the little restaurants are unique, because that one place served unique side dishes that no other place served. The taste of the meat was different and the service was better. Not to mention that it was cheaper than a chain place.
I swear, people get up in arms about cleanliness. After living in Japan and Korea, I feel western countries have made us paranoid about cleanliness. We're told to make sure we cook meat until it's burned because of bacteria. I went to a gogi house and they put some kind of gogi soup around the outside of the pot. You put the meat right next to that soup and let it cook, the whole while the grease and what not was flowing into that gogi soup. It was perfectly safe to eat and no trips to the hospital.
Then about unique American restaurants. The point wasn't that there were still some places, the point was that there used to be a lot of places. That was some of the fun of traveling that my father and my grandfather loved. Yes, there may be some unique places, but the fact is that now there aren't many. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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WTF, isn't this a conservative government. This is Roh Myu Hyun communist stuff.
Best shopping (offline) for me is homeplus, best grocery E Mart, best restaurant Outback, best bakery, best apartment, best phone service, etc... Without the big corp's this place would be the stone ages. [The same with other countries too I think.] |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Korean government trying to crush chain restaurants |
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Don't worry, you'll be able to get plenty of recycled leftovers and beef from Australia that is resold as Korean. You know, all the typical service available in small Korean restaurants. |
Why is it that every legitimate news story gets a racist comment spin on it when it is regurgitated by a Daves member? The news story is almost always worth discussing, but instead, rational non-racists have to spend the time telling the OP to get a life.
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Maybe you need to get a life, eh? It's FACT that smaller Korean restaurants recycle leftovers and mislabel the country of origin of beef. Been out much? Obviously not. But, instead of addressing those issues the Korean government has decided to crackdown on Outback and Ashley. Why? Because people like to eat there. Does that make sense? Not much unless you think consumers are fools. Do you think diners are fools who need the government to tell them where to eat? |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| BTW, where are the expat restaurant bloggers? This is a big issue in the restaurant community so why aren't they chiming in? Their opinions should be heard. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 1:49 am Post subject: |
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I like this actually. I'm tired of seeing a Hodudalk chicken place every block. My favorite family run samgyeopsal place was bought out by some chain restaurant as well. I guess that was the owner's fault who knows. I remember my father saying that when he would travel down the interstate, in America, you could always find those unique restaurants in each city. However, nowadays there's a McDonald's, Wendy's or some other chain store.
In another thread people were complaining about how owner's of buildings and property won't open anything risky and instead open a coffee shop. Maybe this will get people to open up a variety of places instead of that coffee shop. |
Why don't you think he sold out at a big profit? It could have been the best thing that ever happened to him.
There are still plenty of unique restaurants in the U.S. But, yea, people over the years have chosen McDonald's and the like over greasy spoons where you had no idea how clean, etc. the food was when traveling.
Of course, in Korea the little restaurants you're referring to are usually the farthest thing from unique. |
Yea, as far as the owner selling out, that's why i wrote this, " I guess that was the owner's fault who knows." Yes, the little restaurants are unique, because that one place served unique side dishes that no other place served. The taste of the meat was different and the service was better. Not to mention that it was cheaper than a chain place.
I swear, people get up in arms about cleanliness. After living in Japan and Korea, I feel western countries have made us paranoid about cleanliness. We're told to make sure we cook meat until it's burned because of bacteria. I went to a gogi house and they put some kind of gogi soup around the outside of the pot. You put the meat right next to that soup and let it cook, the whole while the grease and what not was flowing into that gogi soup. It was perfectly safe to eat and no trips to the hospital.
Then about unique American restaurants. The point wasn't that there were still some places, the point was that there used to be a lot of places. That was some of the fun of traveling that my father and my grandfather loved. Yes, there may be some unique places, but the fact is that now there aren't many. |
I won't argue with you about unique. You liked the place, OK.
As for cleanliness, are you aware that food poisoning is a lot more common than most people think it is? That often when people believe they have the flu what they have is food poisoning?
Have you spent much time with Koreans? They usually want everything cooked well done because they're worried about salmonella etc. And you do realize that much if nor most sushi has been frozen?
As for the U.S., someone who orders their meat rare is often considered to have a cultivated palate. People send steaks back for being overcooked all the time, and I know a few people who basically ate their meat raw. And then there's the whole paleo thing.
Regarding cleanliness, the whole fad for cleaners that killed bacteria started in Japan. Japanese and Korean housewives judge themselves on how clean their homes are and how fresh the food they serve their families is. but in Brooklyn, for example, American mothers are putting their kids in the dirt to play. Even letting them eat the worms the dig up.
Get out much?
That your favorite restaurant closed is a shame. But it doesn't serve as a basis for the rest of your comments. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| In my town, the most popular spot is a locally owned and operated. The guy took a fairly standard Korean BBQ joint, remodeled it so that it was all table seating, put a couple of TVs up that always have the baseball game on, and decided to openly market the fact that he was selling Australian beef, but it costs half as much as everywhere else. His marinades are great and he provides that thing restaurants need- atmosphere. Whistle blows and guys pour in to watch the game and eat, and families come in for an affordable beef dinner. Chain restaurant down the block? Closed down. If restaurants fail it's because their food or atmosphere or both suck. It's seldom if ever because a TGIFriday's opened next door. |
Yup, I saw this one guy do the same/similar thing with a duck restaurant east of Seoul (Dokso). Started with one small place, built up the atmosphere (AND good food), and it soon took over its neighbors.
It CAN be done. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| best restaurant Outback, |
Seriously? Heck for western food I can name about 30 places off the top of my head in Seoul that do better western food than frozen, flaked, and formed Outback.
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| Have you spent much time with Koreans? They usually want everything cooked well done because they're worried about salmonella etc. |
Uhh, that's usually because of the fact that outside of beef or fish, every meat SHOULD be cooked thoroughly. Who the heck eats rare pork or chicken? Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case, sorry, Koreans DO cook pork and chicken thoroughly.
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| And you do realize that much if nor most sushi has been frozen? |
You mean not from the fish I saw the guy scoop out of the tank, chop and put on the plate? I had no idea that in addition to being a Korean raw fish chef, he was also a magician.
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| As for the U.S., someone who orders their meat rare is often considered to have a cultivated palate. People send steaks back for being overcooked all the time, and I know a few people who basically ate their meat raw |
Most Koreans like their beef rare too, depending on the cut. Ever ordered a steak here? Well done is like medium back home.
Have you ever heard of 육회? The phenomenon of eating raw beef is quite common here as well.
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| American mothers are putting their kids in the dirt to play. Even letting them eat the worms the dig up. |
I trust that that's sarcasm. Perhaps everything above was as well? |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| One would think that Outback would have killed itself by now with its crappy,uninspired food and ridiculous prices. Yet they always seemed packed. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Meh, I think it could be a good idea.
What KR should NOT do is let what happened in the US, happen in KR. That path did not work. Well, it did work for maximizing GDP, but it did not work for maximizing human health. I shall elaborate...
In the US the mom and pop restaurants are gone, just long lines of McD, Dairy Queen, Applebees, Olive Garden, Taco Bell, TGIF, and other trash. Next to the freeway, next to the subway, next to the schools, etc. As a result there simply isn't edible food anywhere in the environment. People by nature eat what's there, and so you get the health epidemics. The knuckleheads always say "nobody is forcing you to eat it" when speaking on fast food, but that ignores human nature; in the end people eat what's there.
In KR you have the reverse; mom and pop restaurants massively outnumbering chains, and people by nature eat what's there, and so you don't have the health epidemics in KR. If that situation deteriorates due to business owners following profit you end up with the US, thus you have to encumber the chains in such a way as to keep incentives in the right place. Actually the US really needs to start enforcing encumbrances like these on McD and get labor moving into healthy mom and pop alternatives.
That's my analysis, and you guys are going to hate it. Cheers. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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There are plenty of smaller restaurants in the USA. They survive and thrive by being good at what they do. What the Korean government wants to do is simply penalize larger restaurant chains simply for being big and popular. Nothing will be done about making smaller restaurants more competitive by improving sanitation or customer service.
Know what else? All of the smaller restaurants tend to offer the same Korean food. The larger chains do not offer the same food. The real cuthroat competition is between smaller restaurants, not between bigger and smaller restaurants. The food is different, the atmosphere is different, and the experiences are totally different. If they REALLY want to eliminate competition, (for smaller restaurants), that is breaking the law, and stealing customers, then they should crackdown on the dog meat restaurants.
Plus, if you read the article then you should realize that these new regulations only apply to Korean chains. Foreign chains are free to do as they choose. All they have done is handcuff Korean chain restaurants. Isn't that stupid? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| best restaurant Outback, |
Seriously? Heck for western food I can name about 30 places off the top of my head in Seoul that do better western food than frozen, flaked, and formed Outback.
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| Have you spent much time with Koreans? They usually want everything cooked well done because they're worried about salmonella etc. |
Uhh, that's usually because of the fact that outside of beef or fish, every meat SHOULD be cooked thoroughly. Who the heck eats rare pork or chicken? Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case, sorry, Koreans DO cook pork and chicken thoroughly.
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| And you do realize that much if nor most sushi has been frozen? |
You mean not from the fish I saw the guy scoop out of the tank, chop and put on the plate? I had no idea that in addition to being a Korean raw fish chef, he was also a magician.
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| As for the U.S., someone who orders their meat rare is often considered to have a cultivated palate. People send steaks back for being overcooked all the time, and I know a few people who basically ate their meat raw |
Most Koreans like their beef rare too, depending on the cut. Ever ordered a steak here? Well done is like medium back home.
Have you ever heard of 육회? The phenomenon of eating raw beef is quite common here as well.
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| American mothers are putting their kids in the dirt to play. Even letting them eat the worms the dig up. |
I trust that that's sarcasm. Perhaps everything above was as well? |
As usual, you go off half-cocked. Sashimi is not sushi.
Buglogi is rare? Beef kalbi is rare? Shabu shabu is rare? Think of how most Koreans eat beef--it isn't in the form of steak.
Well done in the U.S. is pretty much medium these days. I'd bet that's where the trend started, not here.
No sarcasm--it's the latest trend in child rearing. You need to read something besides Soldier of Fortune. |
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