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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
With regards to the "Head of Household", this is a document which tracks citizens of Korea. I don't think there is a western equivalent. The government keeps data on it's citizens, so if you aren't a citizen, they aren't tracking you - hence you don't have a document in your name. I don't see that as a racist policy.
And being named "head of household" won't give you standing against your wife:)
(It's pretty amazing the data the government tracks about it's citizens here. They have to report changes of address, not just us foreigners. The health ministry knows if you own or rent your house, businesses in your name, car ownership.) |
Likely a relic of the domestic security apparatus in more paranoid days. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Swampie, TJ has shown us facts and actual concrete elements of change. You have just used words and your opinion.
From my count he answered your question quite clearly and has done so at least twice. The fact you just refuse to accept any answer that does not jive with your view of things is the issue here.
By the way, I checked our family docs and my name was on the documents (birth cert for my son), I was on the family register even if it took a bit of work (gov workers did not know the procedures at the time but nevertheless did it once it was checked and explained). I was never a citizen, just a permanent resident so the citizen register was none of my concern.
I too owned a business and a house (apt) in Korea.
All in all, getting all this done was not that complicated and got easier as time went by. |
Perhaps to clear up some things from the discussion. First of all, thanks TJ for posting what he knows about the system. I can fill in the blanks. Every foreign resident, either F-2, F-6 or F-5 can go to their local 사무소 (either 몽 or 면 office) and request their own personal register called the 등본. It simply is a way for you as a foreigner to have your own registry in the country, however, it is not the Korean version. As for the current "Family Register" 주민등록표 which is the new form that was implimented a few years back, foreign spouses can be listed at the bottom of register, but not in the main document itself as this is reserved for Korean citizens. (Foreigners can never be listed as the 세대주 because they are not legal Korean citizens)
The Head of House 세대주 is the first person listed on the 등본 and in the case of married couples the wife or husband is in that position on the Family Register. This only changes when a foreign spouse becomes a naturalized Korean citizen, AND a request is made for a change of Head of House with the local 동 or 면 office.
I know all of this because I became a Korean citizen recently, and had to go through the whole process of getting everything changed. The Head of House position is only important in cases where family members listed on the register are attempting to make significant purchases, etc.
As for the process of naturalization, TJ and others were right regarding the process and procedures. It was much easier for me to obtain my Korean citizenship here in Korea than it would be for my wife to obtain her U.S. citizenship. Not arguing pros or cons of the issues you folks have been talking about, but when it comes to being a long term expat, and now a Korean citizen, I am fully aware and knowledgeable of what is required to go through the process. Hope this clears the air a little.
One more thing as to the issue of whether a foreign spouse can be listed on a child's birth certificate. You can make a request to the hospital where your child was born and they can provide a copy of the birth certificate with both the foreign spouse and Korean spouse listed. (This is important for certifying your child's nationality at your Embassy as it was in my case when our daughter was born in 2012) As for the "official" Korean birth certificate coming from the government office, it will not show the foreign spouse's name on the certificate because that is reserved for Korean citizens. This can be changed once the foreign spouse naturalizes as a Korean citizen. (Been there, done that). So again, I hope this helps clear up the discussion a bit.
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| tob55 wrote: |
| As for the current "Family Register" 주민둥록표 which is the new form that was implimented a few years back, foreign spouses can be listed at the bottom of register, but not in the main document itself as this is reserved for Korean citizens. |
This is how I am shown, but I think any other man could walk into the dong-office and have himself written at the bottom too. It didn't seem to be recorded in the database, it was the clerk typing at the bottom. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| tob55 wrote: |
| As for the current "Family Register" 주민등록표 which is the new form that was implimented a few years back, foreign spouses can be listed at the bottom of register, but not in the main document itself as this is reserved for Korean citizens. |
This is how I am shown, but I think any other man could walk into the dong-office and have himself written at the bottom too. It didn't seem to be recorded in the database, it was the clerk typing at the bottom. |
It is actually entered into the database, even though they may appear to only type it on the form. As for having another person listed, they will ask for a "direct" connection to the person for the 등본you want to have the name attached to, and for the very reason you stated. Not just anyone can walk into the 동 or 면 office and have their name placed on someone's 등본. The reason I know this was that when I wanted to ensure my name was on my wife's 등본, prior to my naturalization, they needed to see the marriage documents verifying that I actually was related to her. So, it appears they are doing things in a haphazard way, but they are really quite meticulous about how they process these things. Good example though.
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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To avoid anyone getting confused "둥록표" / "둥본" should read 등 not 둥 in the last couple of posts. FYI.
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
To avoid anyone getting confused "둥록표" / "둥본" should read 등 not 둥 in the last couple of posts. FYI.
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Fixed those, thanks.  |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| tob55 wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| tob55 wrote: |
| As for the current "Family Register" 주민등록표 which is the new form that was implimented a few years back, foreign spouses can be listed at the bottom of register, but not in the main document itself as this is reserved for Korean citizens. |
This is how I am shown, but I think any other man could walk into the dong-office and have himself written at the bottom too. It didn't seem to be recorded in the database, it was the clerk typing at the bottom. |
It is actually entered into the database, even though they may appear to only type it on the form. As for having another person listed, they will ask for a "direct" connection to the person for the 등본you want to have the name attached to, and for the very reason you stated. Not just anyone can walk into the 동 or 면 office and have their name placed on someone's 등본. The reason I know this was that when I wanted to ensure my name was on my wife's 등본, prior to my naturalization, they needed to see the marriage documents verifying that I actually was related to her. So, it appears they are doing things in a haphazard way, but they are really quite meticulous about how they process these things. Good example though. |
Thanks, good to know:) |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| tob55 wrote: |
| As for the current "Family Register" 주민둥록표 which is the new form that was implimented a few years back, foreign spouses can be listed at the bottom of register, but not in the main document itself as this is reserved for Korean citizens. |
This is how I am shown, but I think any other man could walk into the dong-office and have himself written at the bottom too. It didn't seem to be recorded in the database, it was the clerk typing at the bottom. |
No, as Tob indicated, supporting documents are required. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I just re-read the article the original post was started for. It is quite interesting to see how the values of the parents pass down to the children. I am not suggesting that "x" percent of Korean parents are racist or follow the "pure blood" mentality, but I do believe that change must begin in the home. Parents and educators have a responsibility to do their part in educating young people regarding the rights and dignity of other cultures and ethnic populations.
My child is growing up in a community here, and soon she will face some of the types of discrimination spoken of in the article unless my wife and I along with our circle of friends educate others of the fact that people regardless of race should be treated with dignity and respect.
The world is becoming a much smaller place and people in Korea need to understand this fact. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:43 pm Post subject: Racial Discrimination |
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According to a fairly recent news article in a nationally syndicated independent news journal
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According to statistics provided by the Ministry of Justice, the number of foreigners in Korea increased from 680,000 in 2003 to 1 million in 2007, and 1.42 million last February. Last year, the number of foreigners that naturalized in Korea exceeded 123,500 (2012). The immigrants often suffer verbal insults and discriminatory remarks. In 2011, the Joint Committee with Migrants in Korea conducted a survey into discrimination against foreign workers. Out of 931 migrant workers, 78.2% have been verbally insulted and 43.9% have directly heard remarks of cultural discrimination. |
The issues regarding racism and immigrant families does not look to be ending anytime soon unfortunately. Being a citizen does not guarantee no more discrimination, but at least there is legal recourse in the event someone is targeted by Koreans who feel the need to carry out such actions.
IF Korea is truly interested in becoming more global in terms of families, then they are certainly in need of changing the perception of foreign residents, and those who choose to become naturalized citizens in the country. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Nearly 170,000 multiracial children in Korea |
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I think Korea is at a point where the US was about 50 years ago. Racism was much more socially acceptable. Interracial marriage was illegal in many states. Until the Civil Rights Act there was no legal protection against many forms of discrimination. It sounds like conservatives are preventing similar legislation from being passed in Korea. |
Nah, I think it's where it has always been and it is going to stay that way. It is a society that wants to maintain it's racial and cultural identity. Some adjustments are being made to accommodate how fast the world is globalizing, but other than that it's business as usual. |
Couldn't disagree more. An incredible amount of change has taken place since I first came 22 years ago. Change is accelerating if anything.
I don't think accepting and accommodating people from other cultures and maintaining ones own cultural identity are mutually exclusive.
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I don't think it's possible for Korea to maintain its "cultural identity" when such importance is placed on pure Korean lineage. Is this changing? We shall see. I see a backlash coming. Changes are happening fast at the government level, but in peoples' hearts? What do netizens say? How are mixed-race/biracial children treated? How will they be treated in the future, as the Korean birthrate plummets and more and more foreign-mixed couples have children?
These are questions I have. And yes, I do have a child here.
I am not someone residing in North America. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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At least when dealing with these issues Korean government and educators have moved past terms like mixed and race.
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
At least when dealing with these issues Korean government and educators have moved past terms like mixed and race.
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That is definitely a postive in the equation! |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
At least when dealing with these issues Korean government and educators have moved past terms like mixed and race.
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That's my hope. |
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