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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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 Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: The cost of a bad hire |
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Reading Dave's board, I get the feeling that you guys don't really care wether the school is succesful as long as you get your pay check. |
As a waygookin, I can honestly say that most waygookin I know shouldn't be teaching. Asia attracts all the crazies. Even the ones that aren't crazy, are very self-centred and don't care about the kids. I know one or two personally that don't even like kids in general.
I expect a fair wage, but my drive is to get my kids as educated as possible so they can have everything they deserve in life. I am in the minority, but there are a fair few of us around. But its not easy discerning whether they are suitable or not at interview stage. I feel sorry for your situation. But I don't know how to fix it. |
Waygeek is turning into the most annoying poster on this board. You've been in Korea less than a year, right? You've been punked on this board thread after thread, be it the Israel thread, the one where you admitted to trying to intentionally rip someone off selling your computer, or the multitude of threads where you blindly declare "racism" and spout some ridiculous apologist dweeb mumbo jumbo, sounding almost as bad as steelrails (who seems like he's been having a mental break down lately as far as his posts go)... but you're making a lot of judgments of other people while coming off as a pathetic and dishonest monumental hagwon loser in your brief posting/living/working in Korea history. You're the crazy person. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| What is a bad hire in Korea? Someone who is not female and over 30? I've completed several contracts in Korea and been asked to re-sign a few times. However, when I apply for jobs I still face a lot of discrimination. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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So someone failed in one of the prime responsibilities as the owner/manager of a small business... finding appropriate people to staff your business?? |
Maybe that is where one needs guidance? How can I distuinguish between good and bad.
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If you are offering an above average remuneration package for your staff then you can expect top employees not because they will be the ones applying (you'll get all the trash as well) but because you can afford to weed out the chaff to get the wheat. |
Agreed, but I never had much "choice" to begin with. It's not that ALL my hires were bad hires, it's just those few, at critical moments, that screwed up for a variety of reasons.
There is only so much you can find out from speaking/listening to people. I should have included practical tests in my hiring procedures. You live, you learn.
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IF you have the best staff and a great program then proper marketing will still ensure that your seats are all filled, customers (parents and students) are happy and expectations are met and profit is maximized.
There should be no need for your "Imagine all the times..." |
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Yes and No; why do some seemingly succesful businesses still fail. I am not 21 years old, I have worked in firms with a huge number of employees, and even in those businesses, they have people screwing things up. The point is as a smaller school, every single person's action can have greater consequences.
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IF not then why not (rhetorical questions - you don't need to answer here or answer to me)?
Why are you prepping lesson plans for your teachers unless you have staff that can't do the job they are being paid for?
IF they can't deliver the lessons then why did you hire them?
If students can't meet expected competencies in their learning as expected then why not? |
I prep the classes for the first week of any new hire, so they understand the process. Then they have to swim.
I hire people depending on the information I receive, if the information is inacurate or msirepresented, we can only go from there.
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If you are having problems recruiting "top shelf" staff then perhaps it is time to look at your job offer. Who does your job ad/offer appeal to? If you can't get and retain foreign teaching staff for more than 2 years then there is some issue at play that you need to address and deal with. Introspection isn't always nice but sometimes needs to be done. |
Agreed. But sometimes we need a hand, and it's not always there (or one is too proud to admit...)
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It is all about staffing and in a SME the staff are MORE important than they are in a larger business. One or two bad staff members can literally destroy your business. |
Agreed
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Recruitment, retention and management of key staff is an art that needs to be learned if you plan to stay in business and be successful at anything other than as a micro-business.
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Yes. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you all for chiming in. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe that is where one needs guidance? How can I distuinguish between good and bad. |
If they come to the interview chewing gum - out!
Smelling of smoke - out!
A quick multiple choice quiz on the correct use of 'to/too/two' would weed out the bottom 5%. 
Then give the rest a scenario - you'll be teaching a class of 10 high ability kids 'adjectives' or something similar - make a lesson plan (hand written) based on this topic (assume you have no TV or any other interactive resources).....
Then have them do the same thing for a group of low ability kids.........
Put all the interviewee's in a room - put a hidden microphone in and record! 
Have them do an open class (even if there are no children!)
Ich hoffe, dass diese Vorschl�ge n�tzlich sind!  |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I speak German, but I am not German Lucas! |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: The cost of a bad hire |
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*double post*
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: The cost of a bad hire |
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| augustine wrote: |
Waygeek is turning into the most annoying poster on this board. You've been in Korea less than a year, right? You've been punked on this board thread after thread |
Well that's a complete lie as I provided plenty of proof that I was right in both instances. Like to lie do we augustine? There's a lot of negative waygooks here, and they can't stand happy people just as much as they hate Korean people, I get that. You are one of them, yes.
Maybe the non-racists will take over augustine, eh? Try that other waygook website, it's very anti-Korean and will suit you well.
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monumental hagwon loser |
LOL what does this even mean?? Hagwon loser? I have a good job, my own classroom and equipment, am left alone to teach, and have a great apartment two minutes from my place. And I'm a happy person. So who is the real loser here? |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I speak German, but I am not German Lucas! |
Austrian then? |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: The cost of a bad hire |
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Waygeek is turning into the most annoying poster on this board. You've been in Korea less than a year, right? You've been punked on this board thread after thread |
Well that's a complete lie as I provided plenty of proof that I was right in both instances. Like to lie do we augustine? There's a lot of negative waygooks here, and they can't stand happy people just as much as they hate Korean people, I get that. You are one of them, yes.
Maybe the non-racists will take over augustine, eh? Try that other waygook website, it's very anti-Korean and will suit you well.
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monumental hagwon loser |
LOL what does this even mean?? Hagwon loser? I have a good job, my own classroom and equipment, am left alone to teach, and have a great apartment two minutes from my place. And I'm a happy person. So who is the real loser here? |
Yeah, I must be unhappy because you're a moron who uses terms like "non-racist". Hagwon loser, that's you buddy. You work at a hagwon and think you're legitimate teacher? Do you have a degree in education? Doubt it. You're delusional. You are the real loser, I rent my own apartment in my name and commute to my jobs. You're a monkey. I am also, to a lesser extent, but at least I'm able to admit it. And I'd never work at a hagwon. Only chumps work at hagwons. |
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Location: teacher
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: The cost of a bad hire |
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double double.
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Location: teacher
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: The cost of a bad hire |
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| augustine wrote: |
| Waygeek wrote: |
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Waygeek is turning into the most annoying poster on this board. You've been in Korea less than a year, right? You've been punked on this board thread after thread |
Well that's a complete lie as I provided plenty of proof that I was right in both instances. Like to lie do we augustine? There's a lot of negative waygooks here, and they can't stand happy people just as much as they hate Korean people, I get that. You are one of them, yes.
Maybe the non-racists will take over augustine, eh? Try that other waygook website, it's very anti-Korean and will suit you well.
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monumental hagwon loser |
LOL what does this even mean?? Hagwon loser? I have a good job, my own classroom and equipment, am left alone to teach, and have a great apartment two minutes from my place. And I'm a happy person. So who is the real loser here? |
Yeah, I must be unhappy because you're a moron who uses terms like "non-racist". Hagwon loser, that's you buddy. You work at a hagwon and think you're legitimate teacher? Do you have a degree in education? Doubt it. You're delusional. You are the real loser, I rent my own apartment in my name and commute to my jobs. You're a monkey. I am also, to a lesser extent, but at least I'm able to admit it. And I'd never work at a hagwon. Only chumps work at hagwons. |
hey hey hey!
I can see that waygeeks posts are rage worthy but bashing all hagwons as chump work is not right. Sure we are all monkeys but some of us, although starting out with little to no experience, have learned to enjoy teaching and care about our students. The kids take it seriously so why shouldn't we. My students really care about their scores and I have watched my students improve their English over the years to an impressive extent.
It is a joke that they hire us as teachers when we have no experience (i had some) and no background in teaching, but like I said some of us have taken this experience and learned to really enjoy teaching. I like to think that I am a decent teacher now, I can handle just about any classroom and my students are learning from me.
That being said I am not delusional, if I ever want to pursue teaching as a career I will have to go to graduate school and take things from there.
Augustine, chill out on the hagwon bashing, some of them are pretty good. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Location: teacher
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| how about we agree not to compare someone educated in educating to the tourist misfits who come to teach at a hagwon and do a midnight run because the kids poked them in the butt? |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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augustine, are you 15 years old? id love to meet you in a bar and tell me to my face that im a loser because i work in a hogwan.
i happen to like my job. I work 12 hours a week, most days i start at 3 or 4 pm and leave by 9. I have my own room and am left to my own devices. Id say im pretty lucky considering most of the stress ive had working over the years.
Anyway, youre a big man insulting people anonymously. Do you speak to people like that outside? If you do, you must have been bitch slapped quite a few times ?  |
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