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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Meh, I think it could be a good idea.
What KR should NOT do is let what happened in the US, happen in KR. That path did not work. Well, it did work for maximizing GDP, but it did not work for maximizing human health. I shall elaborate...
In the US the mom and pop restaurants are gone, just long lines of McD, Dairy Queen, Applebees, Olive Garden, Taco Bell, TGIF, and other trash. Next to the freeway, next to the subway, next to the schools, etc. As a result there simply isn't edible food anywhere in the environment. People by nature eat what's there, and so you get the health epidemics. The knuckleheads always say "nobody is forcing you to eat it" when speaking on fast food, but that ignores human nature; in the end people eat what's there.
In KR you have the reverse; mom and pop restaurants massively outnumbering chains, and people by nature eat what's there, and so you don't have the health epidemics in KR. If that situation deteriorates due to business owners following profit you end up with the US, thus you have to encumber the chains in such a way as to keep incentives in the right place. Actually the US really needs to start enforcing encumbrances like these on McD and get labor moving into healthy mom and pop alternatives.
That's my analysis, and you guys are going to hate it. Cheers. |
Yea, those mom and pop fried chicken shacks in Korea are turning our extremely healthy fare.
"Simply isn't edible food anywhere in the environment" Obviously a gross exaggeration. And then there's this--want healthy food? try cooking it yourself. Man does not live by restaurants alone. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| best restaurant Outback, |
Seriously? Heck for western food I can name about 30 places off the top of my head in Seoul that do better western food than frozen, flaked, and formed Outback.
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I don't live in Seoul. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| As usual, you go off half-cocked. Sashimi is not sushi. |
Fine, if you want to pretend that you were being that specific- If you go to a crappy place, or if you go for Korean style frozen tuna, then yeah, it's frozen. But if you go to a real sushi place, one without a menu, then it's fresh.
And I believe the 회덥밥 would count as Korean sushi as chriashi is considered sushi and could be considered analogous.
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| Buglogi is rare? Beef kalbi is rare? Shabu shabu is rare? Think of how most Koreans eat beef--it isn't in the form of steak. |
Bulgogi is cooked depending on the style and the quality of cut. Thin sliced bulgogi is often enjoyed rare.
Beef kalbi, like pretty much every beef short rib dish the world over, is cooked thoroughly. Shabu Shabu is a boiled beef dish, and like most boiled beef dishes, is cooked thoroughly.
However if you spring for sirloin or tenderloin (인심 or 등심) at a Korean bbq place, that is served sliced and most Koreans prefer it to be eaten rare.
And again, there is 육회, which is raw beef. I don't know where you get this idea that Koreans don't enjoy raw or rare meat.
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| No sarcasm--it's the latest trend in child rearing. You need to read something besides Soldier of Fortune. |
This is one of those "fringe trends" that the media picks up and overhypes to make it seem like it's an actual trend. in 9/10 communities and situations, if someone heard that some kid's parents were encouraging them to eat worms, they'd call Child Protective Services.
That all being said, you are right that this is a silly regulation. You know I tend to lean protectionist, but this idea right here is just moronic and is better tackled through things like offering tax breaks to smaller restaurants to remodel. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| good. i personally like how korean protects its smaller and independant businesses. if i wanted to see endless miles of the same corporate crap i'd go to america/canada/australia. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| But are the restaurants allowed to buy the quality products they wish regardless of how it's made or where it comes from? If they'd quit taxing the means of production amking everything grown locally so damn expensive and if the government would quit harassing businesses that buy a foriegn product because it's what consumers want, then maybe small business could compete. These new restrictions are dumb. I read that the official 3% unemployment rate is actually 10%. There's too much business regulation and restriction. There are all these cartels here collectively controlling everything. More competition, not less. Free the small companies to import with no duties or taxes instead of the chaebols. Then you might see some incredible growth. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| As usual, you go off half-cocked. Sashimi is not sushi. |
Fine, if you want to pretend that you were being that specific- If you go to a crappy place, or if you go for Korean style frozen tuna, then yeah, it's frozen. But if you go to a real sushi place, one without a menu, then it's fresh.
And I believe the 회덥밥 would count as Korean sushi as chriashi is considered sushi and could be considered analogous.
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| Buglogi is rare? Beef kalbi is rare? Shabu shabu is rare? Think of how most Koreans eat beef--it isn't in the form of steak. |
Bulgogi is cooked depending on the style and the quality of cut. Thin sliced bulgogi is often enjoyed rare.
Beef kalbi, like pretty much every beef short rib dish the world over, is cooked thoroughly. Shabu Shabu is a boiled beef dish, and like most boiled beef dishes, is cooked thoroughly.
However if you spring for sirloin or tenderloin (인심 or 등심) at a Korean bbq place, that is served sliced and most Koreans prefer it to be eaten rare.
And again, there is 육회, which is raw beef. I don't know where you get this idea that Koreans don't enjoy raw or rare meat.
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| No sarcasm--it's the latest trend in child rearing. You need to read something besides Soldier of Fortune. |
This is one of those "fringe trends" that the media picks up and overhypes to make it seem like it's an actual trend. in 9/10 communities and situations, if someone heard that some kid's parents were encouraging them to eat worms, they'd call Child Protective Services.
That all being said, you are right that this is a silly regulation. You know I tend to lean protectionist, but this idea right here is just moronic and is better tackled through things like offering tax breaks to smaller restaurants to remodel. |
First you didn't know about it and now all of a sudden you're an expert on it? You're just talking out of your hat, as usual.
I never said some Koreans didn't enjoy raw beef. You took my comments out of context and then exaggerated them into absolutes. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Get out much?
That your favorite restaurant closed is a shame. But it doesn't serve as a basis for the rest of your comments. |
I love the personal attacks. A restaurant that I liked closing does serve as a basis for my comments since it's relevant to the article. A chain restaurant took it's place and I wanted to voice my opinion on the matter. Maybe you just see a different side than I see and maybe your experiences have been different to mine. Doesn't mean my opinions are wrong and yours are right. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
[quote="nicwr2002"
Get out much?
That your favorite restaurant closed is a shame. But it doesn't serve as a basis for the rest of your comments. |
I love the personal attacks. A restaurant that I liked closing does serve as a basis for my comments since it's relevant to the article. A chain restaurant took it's place and I wanted to voice my opinion on the matter. Maybe you just see a different side than I see and maybe your experiences have been different to mine. Doesn't mean my opinions are wrong and yours are right. |
I attacked the basis of your argument, which was weak, not you. There was no personal attack.
But your response proves my point--you're sore your favorite restaurant is no more. |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:41 am Post subject: |
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The traditional Korean model of a mom and pop business sucks. Dirty, unorganized, no prices, stuff on the floor, rude proprietor, out of date stock. Back home there are lots of prosperous small businesses, and they don't need protection.
Why? They are well run.
The tourist brochures here promote the "traditional Korean market". Traditonally filthy, full of low quality garbage. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| Be more global as you claim you are and get the good Western restaurants here as well as the food. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:31 am Post subject: |
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The traditional Korean model of a mom and pop business sucks. Dirty, unorganized, no prices, stuff on the floor, rude proprietor, out of date stock. Back home there are lots of prosperous small businesses, and they don't need protection.
Why? They are well run.
The tourist brochures here promote the "traditional Korean market". Traditonally filthy, full of low quality garbage. |
This is so true (and well put as well), any place like this back where i'm from would be shut down immediately. Its such a world away from the picture they constantly paint of Korea. I've practically given up eating in these places in fact i'd recommend cooking for yourself now as there are miles more options available for western cooking now anyhow. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| best restaurant Outback, |
Seriously? Heck for western food I can name about 30 places off the top of my head in Seoul that do better western food than frozen, flaked, and formed Outback.
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| Have you spent much time with Koreans? They usually want everything cooked well done because they're worried about salmonella etc. |
Uhh, that's usually because of the fact that outside of beef or fish, every meat SHOULD be cooked thoroughly. Who the heck eats rare pork or chicken? Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case, sorry, Koreans DO cook pork and chicken thoroughly.
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| And you do realize that much if nor most sushi has been frozen? |
You mean not from the fish I saw the guy scoop out of the tank, chop and put on the plate? I had no idea that in addition to being a Korean raw fish chef, he was also a magician.
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| As for the U.S., someone who orders their meat rare is often considered to have a cultivated palate. People send steaks back for being overcooked all the time, and I know a few people who basically ate their meat raw |
Most Koreans like their beef rare too, depending on the cut. Ever ordered a steak here? Well done is like medium back home.
Have you ever heard of 육회? The phenomenon of eating raw beef is quite common here as well.
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| American mothers are putting their kids in the dirt to play. Even letting them eat the worms the dig up. |
I trust that that's sarcasm. Perhaps everything above was as well? |
As usual, you go off half-cocked. Sashimi is not sushi.
Buglogi is rare? Beef kalbi is rare? Shabu shabu is rare? Think of how most Koreans eat beef--it isn't in the form of steak.
Well done in the U.S. is pretty much medium these days. I'd bet that's where the trend started, not here.
No sarcasm--it's the latest trend in child rearing. You need to read something besides Soldier of Fortune. |
You're telling me a trend that is sweeping the US, is letting your kid eat worms? Seriously? I can see hipster moms in Williamsburg doing this, but I can't envision moms in the rest of the US doing this. The dirt thing I can understand. |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:48 am Post subject: |
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What do small, independently owned businesses that are popular become? Large chains!
There was a day when there was one McDonald's. It was popular so they expanded. If big chains start to fail consumers to the point that they're willing to pay for something else, small, independently owned shops will come back.
The businesses that really lost out on this are the wholesalers and distributers. All a large retailer really is, is a wholesaler and store operator in one. They cut out the middle man and buy directly from the manufacturers. It really is an open and democratic system. I can go buy stock in most major retailers. Try going into a mom and pop joint and tell them you want to share in their profits!
Corporations arent evil. they are very predictable - the will always behave in a manner that their management believes will maximize shareholder wealth. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:08 am Post subject: |
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The traditional Korean model of a mom and pop business sucks. Dirty, unorganized, no prices, stuff on the floor, rude proprietor, out of date stock. Back home there are lots of prosperous small businesses, and they don't need protection.
Why? They are well run.
The tourist brochures here promote the "traditional Korean market". Traditonally filthy, full of low quality garbage. |
I always ate at Mom and Pop restaurants and cheap diners when I was in Korea. The food was cheap, usually had lots of meat in it and the side dishes you could walk up and get more. The best price for the money. I don't believe that I ever once got particularly sick from one either.
Someone is going to complain that they got food poisoning from these restaurants, but more often than not it's the stomach flu. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Corporations arent evil. they are very predictable - the will always behave in a manner that their management believes will maximize shareholder wealth. |
They should have to a certain extent, because people rely on stocks for their livelihood after they are not working anymore.
Also in defense of McDonald's in the USA, when I'm getting paid 7.50 an hour or maybe a little more, where else am I going to get a lunch for $1.00 US? That's the main reason these restaurants are so popular in the first place. |
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