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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Waygeek wrote: |
No this will be your last post because you aren't willing to post the original ad for your PC. And we both know why (I saw the ad too).
It will also be your last post because my PC is far more suitable for an expat than yours. Smaller, converting PSU (rated 80plus, so a very dependable PSU too) and of course mini-ITX. We need to be able to move at very short notice, that's just the life we lead.
In my five years of perusing overclock.net I have NEVER seen mention of adata as a brand. Crucial and Samsung are the ONLY SSD's that come recommended. |
lol. such a glutton for punishment. you are wrong again. there was no ad, it was all custom selected by myself at icoda.co.kr. please feel free to go build a similar machine if you'd like and realize once again you are very, very wrong.
i don't know of a single real pc gaming enthusiast who would be dumb enough to sink serious coin into a mini-itx gaming rig (well i know one now...  ). this is a bit of a generalization, but most true pc gamers would build a real gaming rig with expansion and the future in mind and sell it when they leave or if it's powerful and new enough (sli/crossfirex, etc), they'd just ship it back to themselves at their home country for a marginal cost.
sorry champ, but just because you don't know enough about consumer pc parts and have never heard of adata doesn't mean you can spout off what other under-informed people similar to yourself have told you about ssd's and have everyone else believe you. ignorance is NOT bliss, unfortunately.
feel free to take a few minutes and research adata's sx900 to clear up your lack of product knowledge.
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| You contradicted yourself. So, what is the bottleneck? CPU or GPU? Looks like you can't decide. For anyone that has the simplest clue about multi-threading, no, the i7 will do fine next gen. Next gen game engines use multi-threading, you're just too out of the loop I guess. And the 660ti is probably the best reviewed mid-range card out there, people are more than welcome to go and look at some reviews. It's a great card. My system is very well balanced. |
your reading skills need a lot of work i'm afraid. i never said a cpu is a bottleneck, because for almost every single game it's simply not. for gaming the bottleneck for a well built system will always be the gpu, and in your situation that is also the case. even in my machine my gpu is my ceiling, not my proc.
since you seem to know so little about intel chip architecture let me try to explain it to you using very simple english. my i5 is quad-core, meaning it has 4 logic cores that can run simultaneously. if a game utilizes more than 1 core, i can use up to 4 cores to do computational instructions. most consumer level procs go up to 8 physical cores, or in case of most consumer level i7 procs, 4 cores and 4 virtual cores, aka hyperthreading. hyperthreading is intel's implementation of SMT, or simultaneous multithreading and can typically reap benefits of around 30% extra performance over non-hyperthreaded processors. many games however don't account for multiple core processors let alone SMT cores. most of the heavy lifting in gaming is done using gpu power these days due to the price vs. performance of gpu power in comparison to the price vs. performance of cpu power. gpu power is also favored because it has a very specific instruction set that was made with gaming in mind. cpu instruction sets were designed with everything and the kitchen sink in mind, making it not the best place to execute gaming code.
even most of your "next-gen" engines will not see any benefits from your i7's SMT cores and will most likely just utilize your processor's 4 physical cores, which are nearly identical to the 4 physical cores found in a comparable i5 besides with a slightly higher clock speed (the rate at which it can execute code). SMT cores are usually utilized by cpu intensive programs such as photoshop and math programs, not in games.
and again, check your reading comprehension. i never knocked your 660ti as being a bad card, nor did i say your system is not well balanced. i just said your card happens to be your bottleneck, your i7 was a waste of money and will net you nearly no benefit over an i5 this generation or the next, and to try and sell it for the price you are asking when you can get a system with something like my 4gb 670gtx oc'ed 4x windforce is ludicrious.
i hope that this has enlightened you and you can finally realize the folly of your asking price and that you've been wrong about 75% of our entire conversation.
i will paraphrase someone (most likely abraham lincoln because we all know he made up all of the most famous sayings in history according to the internet) but sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and appear a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. |
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richiemgd
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Dam, i wish this was facebook where you could "like" the last post by wishfullthinkng
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
I wish technology sucked for holding its value, but unfortunately the opposite is true if the technology is good. Important factor there. |
If I were to sell my rig right now, I would lose so much money. I consider it near top of the line. http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/3722444
I would love to sell my 680's and replace with 780's but I woulnd't get but 350k for each of them. If I asked 550k for them, who would buy them when they could buy brand new ones with warranty for 650k. Technology does not hold value. Used equipment is used, period. |
nice rig btw phatrick. i use a similar 27' panel but pieced together by a different random korean manufacturer. lol. those lg panels are one of the best values in tech (in korea) imo. i thought about getting the same benq panel you have as my second but i ended up pairing it with one of these (http://item2.gmarket.co.kr/English/detailview/Item.aspx?goodscode=348390365&pos_shop_cd=EN&pos_class_cd=90000001&pos_class_kind=T) for some serious dual-monitor funtimes.  |
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phatrick
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
nice rig btw phatrick. i use a similar 27' panel but pieced together by a different random korean manufacturer. lol. those lg panels are one of the best values in tech (in korea) imo. i thought about getting the same benq panel you have as my second but i ended up pairing it with one of these (http://item2.gmarket.co.kr/English/detailview/Item.aspx?goodscode=348390365&pos_shop_cd=EN&pos_class_cd=90000001&pos_class_kind=T) for some serious dual-monitor funtimes. |
Thanks. I enjoy having both panels, the 120hz is great for FPS gaming and the 1440p is great for most other games, video/photo editing. Well I think I'm signing out of this thread... If anyone ever has any questions on technology, prices, etc feel free to PM me. peace... |
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oppa637
Joined: 05 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
i don't know of a single real pc gaming enthusiast who would be dumb enough to sink serious coin into a mini-itx gaming rig (well i know one now... )
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...meet several hundred people.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1279693/bitfenix-prodigy-owners-club
Titans, water-cooling, K processors, SSD's... all in the same case that I have. All mini-ITX. 761 pages of it, hundreds of people.
So... yeah. I'm finding your quote pretty damn funny right now. Opening your mouth and making yourself look a fool, eh...
And again... you are completely missing the point. We are abroad. We need to be mobile. That's why I went mini-ITX. I would again. I will again. It's a fantastic form factor. Only thing it's missing is SLI.
And what kind of 'enthusiast' has someone else build their rig for them???
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Point is they are worth more to me then to sell for 350. Amazon is not a great site to use here in Korea. Here is a guy selling exact same card I have on Korean used website for 400k. http://dmall.danawa.com/sale/saleView.php?nSaleSeq=4228629&nCateC1=861&nCateC2=876&nCateC3=972&nCateC4=0
A year ago I paid 700k for that card. I can't justify selling it for what the used price is. 300k loss in 1 year. I will keep my SLI since it plays everything I put at it decently. I am an upgrade-holic but also not stupid and it goes to show that your price is to high. When I sold my 560ti's SLI to someone on here, I cut the price they were at the time of selling by 40%. |
You were caught lying. Sorry. Best to just admit it instead of trying to backtrack. 
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| I am all so curious... why and the h%ll did you not shell out an extra 40k won for the K model of that chip? I can tell you in benchmarks I can see a world of difference between my 3770k at stock vs 4.7ghz. And if you are just gaming why did you bother even getting the 3770? There are almost none if not any games that utilize hyper-threading, you might as well saved yourself some money and got the 3570. |
I'm a 3D artist, I went with a 3770 for simming; cloth, fluids, rigid bodies; unlike rendering, they can't be done on the GPU (as of yet). Would have loved to have gone with a K but the difference was not 40K a few months back. It came down to budget. If this wasn't a reality of life, they wouldn't have non-K and K processors now would they.
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| People are trying to help you but your default stance on this board seems to be defensive. |
No, they're just trolling.
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| Clearly, your offer isn't great so why be a such a tool and insult the very people you are trying to sell to? |
It's actually a fair offer (spreadsheet link on last page), and I'm not trying to sell to trolls that have no intention of buying, that wouldn't be too smart. I'm not being 'a tool', I'm presenting all the evidence as to why they're wrong. Of which there's plenty.
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:25 am Post subject: |
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OK, this thread needs to end.
I'm buying this rig for 5 million won just to end this silly debate!!@@ |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| maximmm wrote: |
OK, this thread needs to end.
I'm buying this rig for 5 million won just to end this silly debate!!@@ |
1.3 will do fine. |
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robotco
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
| maximmm wrote: |
OK, this thread needs to end.
I'm buying this rig for 5 million won just to end this silly debate!!@@ |
1.3 will do fine. |
i'll give you 500,000 for it. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:48 am Post subject: |
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i'll give you 500,000 for it. |
Sold it last night at 1.2. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
| robotco wrote: |
i'll give you 500,000 for it. |
Sold it last night at 1.2. |
looks like a fool is born every minute and that fool got ripped off by you. Sad to say, wish someone could have warned them. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| Nope. He got a very fair deal. He saved W650,000, if he'd put the PC together himself right now. Not sure what kind of utter fool would warn him against that. |
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richiemgd
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
| Nope. He got a very fair deal. He saved W650,000, if he'd put the PC together himself right now. Not sure what kind of utter fool would warn him against that. |
A fool for no warranty. and too expensive, used is used. Good for you for taking advantage of someone here. Glad you got a great price. Too bad for the guy who bought it. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| richiemgd wrote: |
| Waygeek wrote: |
| Nope. He got a very fair deal. He saved W650,000, if he'd put the PC together himself right now. Not sure what kind of utter fool would warn him against that. |
and too expensive, used is used. |
Nope, not too expensive, a completely fair deal. I can say this, because I have a much better idea of market value than 'used is used'. Technology does not depreciate in a linear value (or in any way you think it does, evidently). An iPad mini 16GB will keep its worth much longer than a Nexus 7 16GB, for instance. It's just about what the tech was initially worth, and if it is still relevant. Mine was, so he got a fair discount. W650,000 off a 7 month old fairly beastly gaming PC is very good. Not to mention that I payed more for it, 650,000 is the discount from buying the parts right now.
Anybody using a facile argument like 'Used is used' is talking out of their rectum. Cheers! |
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