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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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As far as I know, Canada has no income requirements for sponsoring a spouse while overseas. If, however, you are sponsoring from Canada, I think there is one - just so we have that smidgen of information added in.  |
I'm in the final stages of sponsoring (from within Canada) my fiance for permanent residency. There were no income requirements for either of us. I am a full-time student and she came immediately after graduating university. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| uklathemock wrote: |
I'm on the fence with the language fluency aspect of it, but the monetary requirement is basically telling poor people they can't get married. |
No, the monetary requirement is basically telling poor people they can't import brides they cannot afford to support. Remember, this is a requirement for a marriage visa. |
But in most cases the only reason these guys are importing foreign brides in the first place is because Korean women won't marry them. No matter what the intent was, essentially the result is that poor men won't be able to marry |
No different that the required income / asset tests in the UK, USA, Aus or even Thailand.
You can't import a spouse that you can't afford to support at a minimum wage (or higher) level:
-18k quid/year in the UK, (or savings of �62,500
- $30k AUS for down under,
- 125% of the poverty level for your household size in the US.
- 40k thb/month in Thailand (or 400k thb in the bank)
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Can I ask you where you got that Australian figure from? My wife and I have just decided that we are going to move to Australia and then pay the $3800 to process her visa there as the embassy in Seoul cannot give us any timeframe that we can use to move home in an orderly fashion.
Of course $30k in Australia is 40% of the Adult average wage so it is not such a high bar to set, but $30k in Korea would be around average I guess.
Now to the posters who say people should speak the countries language, can I ask why?
Canadians can you speak French and English, and can your spouse?
Americans, how many legal hardworning Mexicans in your country speak English?
Australians we are fine, as Australia does not require anyone to speak English, not even those born there.
Koreans' spend on English education was estimated to be between $10 billion and $15 billion per year.
Source: http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/n_feature/2010/09/17/86/4901000000AEN20100917002200315F.HTML
I really think anyone who does not speak English here is being racist and assuming Koreans are not good at English. |
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furtakk
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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From an article linked on Marmot's, it sounds like it's just for couples who don't share a common language. If you and your partner both speak the same language then you're exempt from the Korean requirements.
http://news.donga.com/3/all/20130423/54648736/1
I think an upgrade to the F5 still requires the basic Korean ability though. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Australia and then pay the $3800 to process her visa there as the embassy in Seoul |
And I thought Canada was gouging people. |
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salutbonjour
Joined: 22 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Australia and then pay the $3800 to process her visa there as the embassy in Seoul |
And I thought Canada was gouging people. |
We make people wait outrageous amounts of time.
A friend of mine had to go back to France for a few months because of Visa issues making her wait for permanent residence. She speak 4 languages including French (it's easier to go to Canada if you speak French and are willing to move to quebec), has a masters and a Canadian daughter. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| salutbonjour wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
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| Australia and then pay the $3800 to process her visa there as the embassy in Seoul |
And I thought Canada was gouging people. |
We make people wait outrageous amounts of time.
A friend of mine had to go back to France for a few months because of Visa issues making her wait for permanent residence. She speak 4 languages including French (it's easier to go to Canada if you speak French and are willing to move to quebec), has a masters and a Canadian daughter. |
Must have been something wrong with the paperwork.
Average processing times are only 3-6 months for a spousal application (depending on the region the application was filed in).
Admittedly, Korean F6 applications are usually processed much faster.
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| salutbonjour wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
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| Australia and then pay the $3800 to process her visa there as the embassy in Seoul |
And I thought Canada was gouging people. |
We make people wait outrageous amounts of time.
A friend of mine had to go back to France for a few months because of Visa issues making her wait for permanent residence. She speak 4 languages including French (it's easier to go to Canada if you speak French and are willing to move to quebec), has a masters and a Canadian daughter. |
Must have been something wrong with the paperwork.
Average processing times are only 3-6 months for a spousal application (depending on the region the application was filed in).
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Average wait times at the Seoul embassy last time I checked were around 12 months, and cost something like $1200. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| salutbonjour wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
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| Australia and then pay the $3800 to process her visa there as the embassy in Seoul |
And I thought Canada was gouging people. |
We make people wait outrageous amounts of time.
A friend of mine had to go back to France for a few months because of Visa issues making her wait for permanent residence. She speak 4 languages including French (it's easier to go to Canada if you speak French and are willing to move to quebec), has a masters and a Canadian daughter. |
Must have been something wrong with the paperwork.
Average processing times are only 3-6 months for a spousal application (depending on the region the application was filed in).
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Average wait times at the Seoul embassy last time I checked were around 12 months, and cost something like $1200. |
I stand corrected. Since processing was moved to Manila the initial stage (sponsor approval) now takes 28 days and the applicant approval stage now takes 12-14 months.
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Typical of the Cdn government. Close an office (Korean visa section) and increase fees to "improve" service and the services promptly goes to shlt.
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| nick70100 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| uklathemock wrote: |
I'm on the fence with the language fluency aspect of it, but the monetary requirement is basically telling poor people they can't get married. |
No, the monetary requirement is basically telling poor people they can't import brides they cannot afford to support. Remember, this is a requirement for a marriage visa. |
But in most cases the only reason these guys are importing foreign brides in the first place is because Korean women won't marry them. No matter what the intent was, essentially the result is that poor men won't be able to marry |
No different that the required income / asset tests in the UK, USA, Aus or even Thailand.
You can't import a spouse that you can't afford to support at a minimum wage (or higher) level:
-18k quid/year in the UK, (or savings of �62,500
- $30k AUS for down under,
- 125% of the poverty level for your household size in the US.
- 40k thb/month in Thailand (or 400k thb in the bank)
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I knew a guy who married a Thai woman. I don't think she made much money at all. I don't know what she made, but her husband prob didn't make great coin either. Don't know many details of it, but it would seem these conditions were maybe not met. I know an English teacher might make that if lucky, but would many Thai women? Is it meant to keep white men from marrying local women? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I knew a guy who married a Thai woman. I don't think she made much money at all. I don't know what she made, but her husband prob didn't make great coin either. Don't know many details of it, but it would seem these conditions were maybe not met. I know an English teacher might make that if lucky, but would many Thai women? Is it meant to keep white men from marrying local women? |
Aimed more at the sexpats than the EFL teachers.
The other option is regular border runs.
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
Average wait times at the Seoul embassy last time I checked were around 12 months, and cost something like $1200. |
Now compare that to an F-6 in Korea. My original F-2-1 took several minutes to process; I walked out with it the same day we applied for it. There was some fee, but it was trivial -- maybe 50 thousand won? -- and my wife was actually unemployed when we applied for it, having recently returned from a job abroad in Singapore. I really don't see how it could have been easier, yet we regularly get these stories about how Koreans "don't want foreigners here." |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
Average wait times at the Seoul embassy last time I checked were around 12 months, and cost something like $1200. |
Now compare that to an F-6 in Korea. My original F-2-1 took several minutes to process; I walked out with it the same day we applied for it. There was some fee, but it was trivial -- maybe 50 thousand won? -- and my wife was actually unemployed when we applied for it, having recently returned from a job abroad in Singapore. I really don't see how it could have been easier, yet we regularly get these stories about how Koreans "don't want foreigners here." |
Canadian immigration is a huge joke. Sure a lot of people want to move there, but in terms of family situations, especially for people who come from families that have always been Canadian, or at least going back several generations, the process involved for bringing in a spouse or something is just ridiculous.
It's one thing if they want to scrutinize people who get their citizenship, and then immediately start trying to sponsor every tom dick and suzy from their home village to come over, but in the case of expat who goes to work abroad for a bit, gets married and wants to bring his family home? Embarrassing. |
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FriendlyDaegu
Joined: 26 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| What if the couple is already married and the wife is a stay-at-home mom? |
From what's in the KT article, the Korean spouse has to be bringing in 1.1 a month. In that case, it would be openly discriminatory against Koreans who marry foreign professionals and choose to not work -- for whatever reason.
Undoubtedly, though, there's more to the law than what's in the KT article.
Unless there isn't. |
I may have to put my stay-at-home wife on my payroll when it comes time to switch to a spouse visa. Weird. |
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uklathemock
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:23 am Post subject: |
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For those who already have an F-6 or whatever, nothing is ever retroactive here. So, you're good to go. I have a feeling these new regulations will probably start after the lunar new year in 2014.
Is it just me, or has the F-2, F-6, or F-5 visa process been changed a ridiculous number of times in the past few years? They know they have an aging population and a low birth rate, but can't decide if immigration is the answer... |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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For those who already have an F-6 or whatever, nothing is ever retroactive here. So, you're good to go. I have a feeling these new regulations will probably start after the lunar new year in 2014.
Is it just me, or has the F-2, F-6, or F-5 visa process been changed a ridiculous number of times in the past few years? They know they have an aging population and a low birth rate, but can't decide if immigration is the answer... |
The regulations for these visa has changed significantly since I got my F5 back in 2008. Now that I have citizenship it is not much of a concern other than helping other people who want to have somethign more than the standard E2 or similar type visa, which gives them much more employment freedom in the country. I am sure many factors come into play, including the low birth rate concern, but all in all it is typical Korean government at its best. They usually come up with a plan that never really materializes in the way it is designed or followed up on.  |
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