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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Well let's try to set an ethical standard.
Is it wrong to eat animals of a species that also is raised as pets? I think not. Fish, ants, snakes, frogs, and such can be raised as pets and are perfectly fine fare. One can have a pet goat, a pet cow, a pet chicken, a pet pig. Therefore being a "pet" is not sufficient to guarantee protection.
Is it wrong to eat an intelligent animal? People seem to freely enjoy octopus, pig, and goat. What about crow? Not enjoyed as food, but rather intelligent. Squirrel? Raccoon? Pigeon?
Cuteness? Degree of interaction with humans friendliness? I think these are more the reasons that dog is not seen as "right" to eat. Unlike pretty much every animal, including cats, dogs seem, indeed are bred, to be "our friends" in certain parts of the world. No other animal demands our attention to such a degree.
Of course this begs the question- Does that make it okay to eat wolf or coyote? What about wild dog? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Well I'm glad we agree that it is a matter of opinion and not ethics...which is what I said in the first place. |
YES, you stated that as a matter of fact, when of course it is merely your opinion, so NO, we don't agree.
I said it was the OP's opinion that it was an ethical matter. That doesn't mean it's not about ethics. If for him it's about ethics, it's about ethics.
For you, it's your opinion that it's not about ethics, but then you may not be an ethical person. So your opinion may well not apply. |
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DanseurVertical
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Well I'm glad we agree that it is a matter of opinion and not ethics...which is what I said in the first place. |
Right, but in that case, there is no reason to mention it's not a matter of ethics, because you denied the existence of ethical reasoning to begin with.
If ethics is solely subject to opinions - and not the reasons one provides to justify an ethical position - then ethics is fundamentally no different from ice cream flavor preferences. That means, it doesn't exist as an academic discipline.
In choosing ice cream, we can say, "I just like it." In choosing whether or not to kill & eat your neighbor's mother (in the absence of legal penalties), the vast majority of humans will insist on a better reason than "I just like it." Yes, that is the opinion of the vast majority of humans. But that does not mean that opinions alone constitute ethics. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Oh Gee!! they eat doggies. How horrible. For many people in North Asia , eating a dog was the difference between starvation and life. Your child is hungry , and there is a dog guess what.
So the ethical moral analyses that was available to the well fed westerner is a luxury. One that Koreans until very recent times did not enjoy.
So worry about something else. |
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DanseurVertical
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Oh Gee!! they eat doggies. How horrible. For many people in North Asia , eating a dog was the difference between starvation and life. Your child is hungry , and there is a dog guess what. |
Right, 'was the difference'.
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| So the ethical moral analyses that was available to the well fed westerner is a luxury. One that Koreans until very recent times did not enjoy. |
Right, 'until very recent times'.
No one is debating about the practice in Korean history. |
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ampersandman
Joined: 01 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it wrong to eat animals of a species that also is raised as pets? |
No, but it's wrong to serve disgusting meat to foreign guests. I tried Korean dog once and it had the most mediocre texture of any meat I've ever had. Not many Koreans that I know particularly like it either. Isn't it all based on folklore regarding meat from certain animals enhancing virility etc? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| No, but it's wrong to serve disgusting meat to foreign guests. |
Not a bad argument. Eating dog is okay, just stay the hell away.
Although this might crimp my White Castle and Taco Bell style. But darned if that isn't some good rehydrated and formed mystery meat. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| DanseurVertical wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Well I'm glad we agree that it is a matter of opinion and not ethics...which is what I said in the first place. |
Right, but in that case, there is no reason to mention it's not a matter of ethics, because you denied the existence of ethical reasoning to begin with.
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I denied the existence of ethical reasoning in this particular issue. I didn't deny it wholesale (just to clear that up). |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Korean stray dogs are abducted by strange Korean TV shows that involve following the dog around with a camera and making strange, mocking comments about the dog.
Think "Hunger Games", but without the violence. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:26 am Post subject: Re: stray dogs - fate in Korea? |
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I'm seriously wondering whether stray dogs - former family pets - commonly get eaten in Seoul, and whether ordinary Koreans care about this. Do not make this into an ethical debate! I'm just wondering about best recorded facts. |
The stray dogs in Indonesia get cleared out and eaten right away. I wish Thais would eat stray dogs too. Maybe they could be convinced that they might be tasty.
In Korea the answer is No, Koreans that eat dog only eat a special type of dog that is breed for eating. The same is true in Thailand and most likely in Taiwan and throughout Asia. They are black in color and only served at special dog eating restaurants. Most Koreans look down a little bit in disdain at people eating dogs. It's a brutal practice for anyone who has seen a dog being carried into a restaurant. I haven't but others I know have. |
I visited Lombok in Indonesia and stray dogs were everywhere. |
Western Lombok is inhabited by the Balinese, I guess the Balinese do not eat dogs because of their religion. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Robots can potentially be programmed to be more intelligent than pigs. |
I guess that would mean that insects are more intelligent than pigs. |
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DanseurVertical
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
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Robots can potentially be programmed to be more intelligent than pigs. |
I guess that would mean that insects are more intelligent than pigs. |
What do you mean? Robots cannot potentially be programmed to be as intelligent as insects? And therefore, if they can be programmed to be more intelligent than pigs, insects must be more intelligent than pigs? I don't believe that, but I'd be curious to understand why you might think that.
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Anyway, the point of my argument is that intelligence may not be the only property we should consider for answering whether or not it is ethical to eat a food source that exhibits intelligence. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The answer to your question. Well perhaps it would be best to use the resource of the 3000 year old civilization that is available to you in Korea. Approach a Korean man, best if he is between 45 and 60, talk to him about this ethical problem. Remain calm and logical, not emotional. Appealing to his logic you will receive the answer you seek. this can also be used when discussing Dokdo, fan death and other issues. Glad I could help. |
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cj1976
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I have heard that the Korean dog-meat industry is totally unregulated and does not comply to any standards of safety or cleanliness. That alone should deter people from eating it. Who knows where they get the meat?
I guess most of the restaurants get it from a regular supplier who breeds the livestock, but there could possibly be a few unscrupulous opportunists using strays. |
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DanseurVertical
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:36 am Post subject: |
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I have heard that the Korean dog-meat industry is totally unregulated and does not comply to any standards of safety or cleanliness. That alone should deter people from eating it. Who knows where they get the meat?
I guess most of the restaurants get it from a regular supplier who breeds the livestock, but there could possibly be a few unscrupulous opportunists using strays. |
Thank you for commenting on the topic. |
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