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[tanklor1]

Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers. Please don't read this if you haven't seen the film.




I'm just going to list my complaints.

1. Chris Pine is a poor Kirk.
2. The character of Kirk was written poorly.
3. Spock shouldn't cry.
4. Spock shouldn't beat the piss out of someone.
5. YOU WOULDN'T SEND A COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER TO TAKE OUT ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS PEOPLE IN THE GALAXY ALONE!
6. They should have come up with a new idea for a villain instead of retelling a better story.
7. The plot point of using Khan's blood to RESURRECT the dead is just plain crazy. And even if that was true why do they need Khan's blood? They have 72 other people on board with the same type of enhanced blood?

Overall, it just didn't feel like a Trek movie and it kind of missed the point of what Trek is about.

[globusmonkey]

I went home directly afterward and watched "Wrath of Khan". It made me feel better.

The first act of the movie showed great promise, and I was excited to see how Benedict Cumberbatch (who crushes it as Sherlock Holmes) would play Khan. Once they started down the "alternate universe but telling the same story but switching it around" road, I got supremely disappointed. They proved the point of this being a new Star Trek with the same characters in the first movie, so why rehash/remake that same point in the second one? Fine, use Khan, he's an awesome character that expresses the message of the franchise well, but for pete's sake come up with a better story. Or at least a different one. Kirk doesn't deserve that kind of hero sacrifice arc yet, and therefore it was forced and ultimately empty. After watching Nimoy in Star Trek II two hours later, I had goosebumps (I've been watching that movie since I was a kid and that always happens. Even Shatner gets it right.). JJ Abrams effed it up on this one. Only so far you can go with homage, I suppose...

[Gamecock]

Yeah, i didn't read anything online before i went, and was REALLY disappointed that they just rehashed an old story. So tired of Hollywood doing this. Seems like half the movies are re-makes or sequels/prequels. Aren't there any WRITERS left? How about some originality and creativity....SIGH.

To add to the OP's list...

-The tribble foreshadowing was obvious and lame. Sure took the drama out of the death scene.

-Double down on the idiotic "we must bring Khan back alive" plot hole. Yeah, duh, 70 other people in cryo whose blood you could use. Stupid, stupid.

-Thought it was stupid when Kirk just whipped out his communicator and made an instantaneous person-to-person call with Scotty in bar on earth....from the Klingon homeworld!

-I'm still a bit annoyed from the last movie that they would even CONSIDER giving Kirk command fresh out of the academy with ZERO experience. This is just stupid.


I don't dislike the re-boot of the new characters so much as many Trek fans, but glaring plot holes and lack of any new story pisses me off.

[Fox]

[le-paul]

genius comment fox.
as a fan of 'x', i would go to the first showing possible (without spoiling it by downloading a crappy copy) and i usually take other peoples opinions/reviews with a pinch of salt.
How are you supposed to know its a bunch of crap until youre (edit sp.) watching it?

[Fox]

[le-paul]

dont you think opinion is subjective (your opinion on this matter for example)?
if i was talking to a person about movies, id try and get an overall picture of the type of movies they were bigging up before i would rush out and rent starship troopers because they recommended it.
how are you supposed to take any critics advice when you dont know anything about their taste?
and some people are passionate about what they enjoy. I love rock climbing and id watch any documantaries i can get a hold of, some are good, some arent. it doesnt mean i should 'suffer consequences' for watching them! what the hell are you dribbling on about man!

for me, theres nothing more pathetic than somebody whining about other people whining. You dont have to listen to it. nobody is whining here, theyre 'discussing a movie'. if it bothers you that much, move along, theres nothing for you to see here...

[Fox]

[le-paul]

grow up, its like arguing with a 4 year old that swallowed a dictionary.

[Fox]

Alright, alright, I was going to insult you in return, but instead, I apologize. You're literally such a terrible debater that I actually feel bad about it. It's not your fault you're less than clever, and I shouldn't abuse you.

[le-paul]

no, i just really cant be bothered. appology accepted.

[Steelrails]

It was a 2 star 'Star Trek' movie, maybe less. It's saving grace was the 'homage scene', which was in my opinion a homage, and not a rehash and Cumberbatch's acting, which while it did not exceed or even meet Montalban's, was solid enough.

In terms of what it was trying to accomplish, rather than my own absolute standard, it did it very well.

But as a Star Trek fan, I found the logic fails, over-emphasis on action, and a relative lack of the Star Trek ethos dissatisfying. I could rant and rave about the betrayal of the Star Trek vision in pursuit of an action movie and the dilution of its moral message, but that would be too easy.

-How the heck is the Enterprise just outside of Qo'Nos and there is no response from the Klingons? Shouldn't there be a swarm of D7 class battlecruisers?

-For that matter, how come there aren't a whole bunch of Federation starships in Sector 001 noticing this new Starfleet vessel that has appeared out of nowhere and is a quantum leap in technology, engaged in battle with another Federation starship?

- Since when did warp travel become like hyperspace travel?

- (From the first movie) A lever-throttle? Really?

- Why doesn't Spock order everyone to escape pods and then get in one himself? Not everyone has to go down with the ship.

- Khan and his supermen shouldn't be THAT super.

- That Aerodyne type thing that Khan used to blow up Starfleet HQ should have been able to take out the entire floor in one shot.

- 72 Photon torpedoes detonated INSIDE a ship should completely vaporize it. Heck it should have been enough to destroy the nearby Enterprise.

- The clubbing scene with Scotty. That was so-anti Trek. People in the 23rd century are supposed to fall back in love with classical music and jazz. Can you picture Picard or Data or even Kirk or Riker at such a place? Can you picture James Doohan at such a joint? Didn't Spock give the ol nerve pinch to some punk on a bus blasting metal in 1980s San Francisco?

[nicwr2002]

[nicwr2002]

Khans back story is similar and the death of Kirk was similar to that of ST2, but the rest of the story was different and had some current American political undertones. I'm sure it was very obvious that they were talking about the killing of American citizens without trial using drones overseas.

[rollo]

The fact that so many people care about this is a little scary. If only adjosshis could read this they woould not be worried about waygookin taking their women.

Enjoy the movie for what it is :mindcandy