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Jimskins



Joined: 07 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm With You wrote:
Is the university still enforcing the 2-year contract plus possibility of only one renewal for a max. total of 4 years? I've heard that there are some people who don't get renewed for the second 2-year contract but that most teachers get the second renewal. So is it still 4 years max, and then you'r out at Hongik?

They won't get Ph.D holders, at least not native English speaking ones.


No. If you keep your nose clean it seems you can stay as long as you like. I don't speak from personal experience as I've only got one year left on my second two year contract, but there are a number of other teachers who have taught over 5 years, some well over 10 years, all without PHDs.
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I'm With You



Joined: 01 Sep 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimskins wrote:
I'm With You wrote:
Is the university still enforcing the 2-year contract plus possibility of only one renewal for a max. total of 4 years? I've heard that there are some people who don't get renewed for the second 2-year contract but that most teachers get the second renewal. So is it still 4 years max, and then you'r out at Hongik?

They won't get Ph.D holders, at least not native English speaking ones.


No. If you keep your nose clean it seems you can stay as long as you like. I don't speak from personal experience as I've only got one year left on my second two year contract, but there are a number of other teachers who have taught over 5 years, some well over 10 years, all without PHDs.


So when do you find out that you can stay as long as you like?

What evaluation criteria does the school use to determine who can stay and who can't beyond the 4 years?
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Jimskins



Joined: 07 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm With You wrote:
Jimskins wrote:
I'm With You wrote:
Is the university still enforcing the 2-year contract plus possibility of only one renewal for a max. total of 4 years? I've heard that there are some people who don't get renewed for the second 2-year contract but that most teachers get the second renewal. So is it still 4 years max, and then you'r out at Hongik?

They won't get Ph.D holders, at least not native English speaking ones.


No. If you keep your nose clean it seems you can stay as long as you like. I don't speak from personal experience as I've only got one year left on my second two year contract, but there are a number of other teachers who have taught over 5 years, some well over 10 years, all without PHDs.


So when do you find out that you can stay as long as you like?

What evaluation criteria does the school use to determine who can stay and who can't beyond the 4 years?


Ah, that is the 65,000 dollar question. I'm not sure. You're first renewal is based on your evaluations (you have to average over 80 percent), and on paper the second renewal is the same, with no other 'special' considerations. Here's hoping.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if we can get away from the attacks, a couple of things about the job:
1) the hours have gone up, people used to work only 12 hours/week, with new contracts its 15, yeah the pay has gone up BUT BUT BUT... (I make around the same pay for 9 hours/week at my present univ considering my housing allowance)

2) If your classes don't make and say you actually teach say 9 or 12 hours, your pay will be docked for the semester, you do get a chance next semester to make the money up. there are people there you are getting nailed moneywise this semester teaching only 6-9 hours

3) You have to make up all red days, a gripe from people there. they stick to a 15 week semester, my univ has 2 weeks for finals, others have a "make up week" etc to get around this. think in the fall you will have to make up close to a week of classes

4) there is now a standardized curriculum and a end of semester test that means teachers are now teaching to the test

5) on the upside there is no real limit on how long you can stay, as long as you are ok with the student evals and the higher ups are happy you can stay as long as you want. i know people who have been there 8 years plus.

If you can get through the screening process and are ok with the bs its a good job,
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hongik Univ is one of the better jobs. Better Uni's nobody I think was disputing that, Conditions might have deteriorated slightly but we should all remember that over the past 10 years many intangible conditions have improved including the treatment from our Korean managers and the general convenience from living here.

A related MA with experience should ALWAYS be competitive against an unrelated PhD.
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Waygeek



Joined: 27 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
lol at PhD preferred for a monkey esl "professor" position.


Only some public school teachers are 'walking tape recorders' as you could say (much more polite than 'monkey', get some manners, and another hobby preferably). Most hagwon, after-school and university teachers are not like this and are depended up not only to teach solo but to produce their own material. Bitter?
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waygeek wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
lol at PhD preferred for a monkey esl "professor" position.


Only some public school teachers are 'walking tape recorders' as you could say (much more polite than 'monkey', get some manners, and another hobby preferably). Most hagwon, after-school and university teachers are not like this and are depended up not only to teach solo but to produce their own material. Bitter?


In my public uni they are using some Korean Teachers to teach in place of foreigners in the freshman program. I have stood in the hall during my breaks on the way to the bathroom or going outside to listen in. "Walking tape recorders" would not be far off in my opinion. The do not much different than other public school teachers I have seen which is come in 5 minutes before class and during breaks and photocopy some pages. Their classes are mostly Korean and unintelligible K-English.

I am weary of asking exactly how a student gets placed in their class instead of a foreign teacher's one. It seems to me like a chance for the uni to save cash and hence my question might not be welcomed.

And I agree with Dodge7 further since PhD's should be looked at but "preferred" is not the right word in my opinion so he was right to call it out. The position does not have a publishing requirement does it? Then it is hardly made for PhD's. My friend works in a private uni and ALL the Korean teachers in his Language dept have PhDs but some have limited English or teaching skills. It could be that the PhD requirement is coming from a Korean mindset which values credentials over experience whereas since the job does not have a research component an MA with experience should have someone one equal if not better footing than someone with a PhD.
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uni jobs are basically for the lazy people. I have met so many who complain about working 15 hours a week! And especially when they are asked to do just one more class. They go ballistic! A Ph.d to teach ABC's. Parents must be proud.
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I-am-me wrote:
Uni jobs are basically for the lazy people. I have met so many who complain about working 15 hours a week! And especially when they are asked to do just one more class. They go ballistic! A Ph.d to teach ABC's. Parents must be proud.


It's your opinion, and you are entitled it it, but just between you and me, your opinion is full of shit.
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2) If your classes don't make and say you actually teach say 9 or 12 hours, your pay will be docked for the semester, you do get a chance next semester to make the money up. there are people there you are getting nailed moneywise this semester teaching only 6-9 hours


So if not enough students take your class you end up losing money?
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulman69 wrote:
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2) If your classes don't make and say you actually teach say 9 or 12 hours, your pay will be docked for the semester, you do get a chance next semester to make the money up. there are people there you are getting nailed moneywise this semester teaching only 6-9 hours


So if not enough students take your class you end up losing money?


yeah and if you aren't a popular teacher or get stuck with a lousy class time and your classes wont make, it costs you around 200k/month/class
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tom65



Joined: 21 May 2013
Location: Zagreb

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:09 am    Post subject: hi :) Reply with quote

I am willing to offer a nice fee, to anyone who could find me a good school in Seoul or somewhere close to Seoul.

I would do it myself, but I will be in a hospital for some time, and doctors won't allow me to be on a computer for hours or to use a phone too much.

Please, no recruitment agencies, I had very bad experiences with them, so I don't wanna even hear about ANY recruitment agency. That is why I am offering this to you, my colleagues.

All of you who might be interested, contact me on my email for details : <edit>
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PatrickBateman



Joined: 08 Jun 2009
Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Dodge is actually religious, he's completed his final stage of being the ultimate troll.

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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
Plenty of E2s making more than that with just a CELTA.

How do they manage that? Are you sure it's not because of their F visa they are pulling that? I'm just curious because I have a CELTA, but don't know how to put it to use (in terms of earning more money).
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yeah and if you aren't a popular teacher or get stuck with a lousy class time and your classes wont make, it costs you around 200k/month/class


That sucks. What do you mean "your classes won't make"? They don't get enough students signed up to take your class?
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