Korean Job Discussion Forums

[Otus]

[PatrickGHBusan]

[maximmm]

[PatrickGHBusan]

[World Traveler]

[PatrickGHBusan]

The abortion of females? lol

Ok then....

By the way, if your argument is financial (ex: K-woman wanting the mate that makes more or has more earning potential) then Fts lose out big time and always would have. Add to that the fact that most Korean woman would not choose to move abroad (much like people back home for the most part would not choose to move abroad) and FTs become even less interesting as relationship options because they hold short term jobs on a short term visas and by their very nature are in Korea for a very short time.

As for FT wages they stagnated after a steep rise and now have effectively gone down in relative terms in this employers market which is sadly completely expected and not surprising at all.

[World Traveler]

How is female infanticide a non-issue? At one point South Korea had the greatest gender imbalance of births in the entire world. Now those babies have grown up and are adults.

ESL in Korea did not begin when you arrived in 1997/1998 (the time of the crash). Prior to that ESL wages were very high, in fact, much better than they are today.

And the media too is responsible for making Westerners out to be criminals/child molesters and/or "losers back home". All of those reasons and more (for example, gold diggers of the English language now have other means to acquire it) are why in 2013 in Korea, a Western man can do better in other Asian countries dating wise.

[atwood]

[alongway]

On an hourly basis, some foreign teachers, especially those on an F visa can make more than your average Korean, however, most don't work the amount of hours Koreans do. You can go out and find a business class 5 mornings a week for 50-60k/hour. But it's only 5 hours a week

You could find kindergartens for 40-50k/hour, but you'd only do 15-20 hours of those a week

or you could work at a hagwon for 2.3-2.5/month.
I think a hagwon would put you around the average wage of a middle-class Korean. There are plenty of jobs, some that you wouldn't expect like nurses, who make much less than that.

You can't compare your salary with those working for the best companies in town (samsung/lg/etc) and say you're making way below average.

Let's face it, a single teacher who doesn't burn their money can save a decent amount of cash over a one year period. Maybe 12-13million. Maybe more if they really budget their money.

I'd say that's decent compensation and probably better than a lot of Koreans who are using the same wage to pay for their own housing, and a kid or two on top of that.

an F visa who gets out there and hustles some gigs without kids, can probably do quite well and really put the money away. They would be doing much better than your average Korean. They could probably make 4 million a month with a medium schedule of a daily business class, and something like a full load of kindergartens. With no kids, and a spouse who is working, they're doing very well as English teachers.

On the other hand, if they're an F-visa, working at hagwon rates, and they've got a kid or two, they're going to be struggling unless they live outside the big city or the spouse has a really good job.

I think that English teachers can still do quite well for the qualifications, and workload required of them, as long as they're not incredibly lazy.

[World Traveler]

Alongway, you have the F visa now? (I thought I read somewhere you did.) If so, congratulations. Straightaway, the F visa can lead to decent money? How much networking does it take to build your way up? I ask because I saw this and was surprised:

[alongway]

[wooden nickels]

[World Traveler]

wooden nickels, you still own the hagwon? I'm glad to hear it's doing well. Many hagwons are going under these days I hear.

[wooden nickels]