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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| The school is a corporate branch of a chain, so no real owner, in fact it was head office who changed my campus on me. |
That's a load of hogwash. That's like saying the head office of Microsoft or Apple owned their companies. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs had a lot to do with the decision making. There is always SOMEONE at the top moving the strings. You simply don't see them or know of their existence.
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| I was told today that once I have the ARC, if I get a release I can just get my visa transferred by Immigiration. Is this true, or is there more to it? Any insight on this? |
You are still too early in the process to leave. You need to teach for a while so the school feels they have used you and save money. Then, they will want to get rid of you.
Don't expect to get a transfer to a new school right after you get your ARC. If you are going to argue about getting a different branch make that argument now, or it will look rather strange when you get your ARC.
Then when you get your ARC, tell them, "Either give me another branch or give me a release letter so I can go to another school."
This might not work though, so save it as a sympathy card to play 3 or 4 months down the line, ("You know I didn't like working at this branch, and you didn't move me to a new one.")
To get the release letter though, as I mentioned, you need to give them something first. 6 months is usually a secure amount of time or 5th month making them feel they are saving on flight money. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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^ That might work, but it's doubtful. There's still a problem. That problem is you're registered, without any doubt, as employed by and working at the hagweon that you were contracted for. The reason that's a problem is that it's illegal to work somewhere else without Immigration's permission to do so. And that permission is only granted if both employers agree to it and the "extra" job has less hours than the main job. Obviously, if you're going to be doing all your work at the 2nd place, then it's illegal. Once again, it's not the boss and it's not the recruiter who will get detained, fined, and deported. It's you.
Honestly, I think there's no easy way out, given the current state of Korea's immigration regulations regarding E-2 visas. It seems to me that your best bet is to simply hop the earliest flight out of the country. Please tell us that you didn't pay for your trip to Korea yourself. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Bottom line:
An employer is under NO obligation to ever provide a LOR.
Without a LOR you CANNOT transfer to a new employer and under current immigration policies you CANNOT obtain a new E2 until your contract expires.
So at the end of the day your choices are:
1) If you can't get a LOR you will need to sit and wait it out while unemployed (can get expensive).
2) Stay employed where you are. As long as you are getting paid you can keep your head down, take your money and know better next year when you look for a new employer.
3) Pick a new country and pull a runner at your convenience (after you find a new job in a new country and AFTER you get paid). The most you are likely to lose is a couple weeks of salary (since most hagwons pay 10 days after your month end) and that will cover their airfare to bring you over so you don't have to worry about having a guilty conscience about owing money.
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dctefl
Joined: 18 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Please tell us that you didn't pay for your trip to Korea yourself. |
Unfortunately not. Contract stipulates you get reimbursed once you provide a receipt of your flight payment and arrive in Korea.
Asked other teachers here, they are all in the same visa situation. All were tied to the head office address and when time came for their ARC nothing was mentioned about the new address (so far as anyone can remember.)
Could this be some sort of arrangement Immigration does for chain/companies? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Could this be some sort of arrangement Immigration does for chain/companies? |
Nope.
You just got screwed, left, right, upside down and backwards - plain and simple.
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dctefl
Joined: 18 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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In all honesty, things being as they are, I find this somewhat weirdly acceptable.
If I get the ARC no problem, then I can start the process for trying to get out of the contract and stay in Korea.
If I get ejected over a bad visa, I just go home and start looking for a job somewhere else, maybe Japan, I originally wanted to go there anyway. Anyone have an idea how much this fine might be? |
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SimonPark
Joined: 18 May 2009
Location: Saving Korea from Bad Teachers
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| dctefl wrote: |
In all honesty, things being as they are, I find this somewhat weirdly acceptable.
If I get the ARC no problem, then I can start the process for trying to get out of the contract and stay in Korea.
If I get ejected over a bad visa, I just go home and start looking for a job somewhere else, maybe Japan, I originally wanted to go there anyway. Anyone have an idea how much this fine might be? |
when we reported the teacher at the rival school for not paying to his pension he was fined 8 million won and deported. where do you work? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| dctefl wrote: |
| In all honesty, things being as they are, I find this somewhat weirdly acceptable. |
That's because you haven't been introduced to Korea's judicial system yet. You'e still in the "So, this is what the Twilight Zone's like, huh? Not so bad." phase. It's not so bad, yet. But it will get worse and quickly at that.
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| If I get the ARC no problem, then I can start the process for trying to get out of the contract and stay in Korea. |
Oh, you'll get the ARC of course. The problem is that the information provided to Immigration by your employer and thus on the ARC is false. When you get stopped by Immigration for a "random" check on your way into the new place, what's your answer going to be for, "Why are you working here instead of where you're registered?" Actually, your answer has no bearing. You'll just be carted off. Detained until you pay the fine, deported, and given a Do Not Return order.
You can quit dreaming right now about "starting the process to get out of the contract". You need the boss's permission for that. That's simply not going to happen.
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| If I get ejected over a bad visa, I just go home and start looking for a job somewhere else, maybe Japan, I originally wanted to go there anyway. Anyone have an idea how much this fine might be? |
I've heard something like 100,000 won per day bandied about. Dude, every single day you're working at the "new place" is a day you're violating Korea's immigration law.
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| Please tell us that you didn't pay for your trip to Korea yourself. |
Unfortunately not. Contract stipulates you get reimbursed once you provide a receipt of your flight payment and arrive in Korea. |
Let me guess. This reimbursement will magically disappear because it'll be offset by the high housing deposit to be taken in one fell swoop in the first paycheck.
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| Asked other teachers here, they are all in the same visa situation. |
Your boss is a serial liar. He's a crook. He's a criminal. He's a fraud. He is far and away the worst hagweon owner in the Republic of Korea. And that's saying something when you consider all the horror stories related on this board.
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| All were tied to the head office address |
NOBODY IS "TIED TO THE HEAD OFFICE"! It's an excuse. A time-honored one, albeit, but still just a lame and dishonest excuse. You were not hired by the head office. None of you was. You were not hired to work at the head office. None of you was. The head office is not your visa sponsor. The head office is not the visa sponsor for any of you. The head office is not your employer.
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| and when time came for their ARC nothing was mentioned about the new address (so far as anyone can remember.) |
Do tell. That's because your boss is a serial liar. He is a crook. He is a fraud. He simply did not tell the truth to Immigration.
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| Could this be some sort of arrangement Immigration does for chain/companies? |
Nope. Immigration would simply tell your criminal, lying, dishonest, fraudulent crook of a boss, "Nope. Sorry. You can't do that. Next customer, please!" They'd also tell you, "Nope. Sorry. You can't do that. Please step this way."
Do you seriously believe that your boss is going to release you from your contract with all the BS he's running you and everyone else through? He's cutting corners left and right, he's pulling the bait and switch stunt on you just like he's done to others before you. This will not end well because it did not start well.
I'd leave the country. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeez mate, messy messy situation. Sorry this happened to you. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| when we reported the teacher at the rival school for not paying to his pension he was fined 8 million won and deported. where do you work? |
^ Check out this character. He cites his location (to the left) as: "Protecting Korea From Bad Teachers" and boasts about getting a foreign teacher fined and deported. Looks like the AES crowd have officially arrived on Dave's. When you consider the other recent post fishing for stories about "foreign male teachers" who touch their kindergarden students, you know Dave's has started attracting the nutters.
A sad bunch, really.
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| when we reported the teacher at the rival school for not paying to his pension he was fined 8 million won and deported. where do you work? |
liar, liar, pants on fire...
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In all honesty, things being as they are, I find this somewhat weirdly acceptable.
If I get the ARC no problem, then I can start the process for trying to get out of the contract and stay in Korea.
If I get ejected over a bad visa, I just go home and start looking for a job somewhere else, maybe Japan, I originally wanted to go there anyway. Anyone have an idea how much this fine might be? |
Unless you fail your medical (stds or drugs) you will get your ARC.
Even after you get your ARC the chances of quitting, getting a new job and successfully transferring your visa without major difficulties are slim at best.
You won't get ejected over a bad visa.
You won't get fined for not paying pension or medical (but they may come after you for unpaid back payments).
There is no fine for quitting (other than illegal fines levied by your employer).
Work for a month or 2 or 3. Bank your coin. Quit the day after payday when it is convenient for you (don't tell anyone ahead of time).
Catch a flight to Thailand, Cambodia or Vietnam. Find a job to tide you over while you figure out what you are doing and then get a better paying job in China (gonna be busy hiring for the next month or 3 - job hunter's market) or Japan (tight job market there). Thailand is a nice place to unwind while you get yourself organized and get a visa for China.
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| SimonPark wrote: |
| dctefl wrote: |
In all honesty, things being as they are, I find this somewhat weirdly acceptable.
If I get the ARC no problem, then I can start the process for trying to get out of the contract and stay in Korea.
If I get ejected over a bad visa, I just go home and start looking for a job somewhere else, maybe Japan, I originally wanted to go there anyway. Anyone have an idea how much this fine might be? |
when we reported the teacher at the rival school for not paying to his pension he was fined 8 million won and deported. where do you work? |
liar, liar, pants on fire... |
Agreed. Since when is it the teacher's job to deduct pension money from their monthly pay. That's the employer's job. It is he who would be fined, not the employee. The owner is in effect stealing from the foreign teacher by avoiding his share of the monthly pension payment.
Nice try Simon Park. Now that you know that it's the Korean employer that's at fault, will you be contacting immigration to have him fined? No? I didn't think so.
Have a nice weekend. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:14 am Post subject: |
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"2) Midnight run (really don't want to do this, won't do this unless the situation gets worse, if that could happen)"
It's always good to have a crash course in leaving schools. Do you know where you might go if you do do this midnight run? It will be the same. Welcome to ESL teaching.
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This is a difficult situation for you. I would say unless you're getting rooked royally in pay to stick it out. However there is the other question of getting recommendations and having the school acknowledge that you worked for them for one year. You could work for a year and get screwed on that. That is the problem with ESL teaching, the ethics just are not there. I don't know what you will do, you have to decide. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
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| SimonPark wrote: |
| dctefl wrote: |
In all honesty, things being as they are, I find this somewhat weirdly acceptable.
If I get the ARC no problem, then I can start the process for trying to get out of the contract and stay in Korea.
If I get ejected over a bad visa, I just go home and start looking for a job somewhere else, maybe Japan, I originally wanted to go there anyway. Anyone have an idea how much this fine might be? |
when we reported the teacher at the rival school for not paying to his pension he was fined 8 million won and deported. where do you work? |
liar, liar, pants on fire... |
Agreed. Since when is it the teacher's job to deduct pension money from their monthly pay. That's the employer's job. It is he who would be fined, not the employee. The owner is in effect stealing from the foreign teacher by avoiding his share of the monthly pension payment.
Nice try Simon Park. Now that you know that it's the Korean employer that's at fault, will you be contacting immigration to have him fined? No? I didn't think so.
Have a nice weekend. |
You haven't heard about all those teachers trying to get out of having employer matched contributions? |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| when we reported the teacher at the rival school for not paying to his pension he was fined 8 million won and deported. where do you work? |
^ Check out this character. He cites his location (to the left) as: "Protecting Korea From Bad Teachers" and boasts about getting a foreign teacher fined and deported. Looks like the AES crowd have officially arrived on Dave's. When you consider the other recent post fishing for stories about "foreign male teachers" who touch their kindergarden students, you know Dave's has started attracting the nutters.
A sad bunch, really. |
There's also one about 'hooking up with coworkers'. I'm sure they'll love that one as well. |
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