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Looking for advice on how a black woman can get a job.
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cirval



Joined: 27 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: Looking for advice on how a black woman can get a job. Reply with quote

My girlfriend and I were looking to come back and teach another year in Korea, but the situation has become a bit of a headache. I was able to get a job very quickly in Seoul, but my girlfriend's situation has been entirely different. We both knew that it would be more difficult for her to get a job because of her skin color, but we didn't expect it to be this bad. She has been incredibly flexible about jobs (basically she just wants to be able to commute to Seoul) but she hasn't had any luck. She has sent dozens of recruiters (possibly 100s?) emails and 2 months in she is still without a job offer.

Basically, I'm just wondering if anyone has some advice on how she (we) should go about this. It really seems like the traditional methods aren't working. She's qualified, has experience, a degree in English, and is a good interviewer, but it just hasn't translated.

Does anyone have any advice about what steps she should take next, if she really wants a teaching position.

Thanks
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cheolsu



Joined: 16 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm of a South Asian background, though I think I fall onto the lighter-skinned side of South Asians, which might make a difference. It wasn't easy getting a job at first, and it's very hard to make the initial cut with schools, but I always do well in interviews because I present myself well and because I speak Korean at a high level (often better than the English of the person doing the interview), which makes me easy to hire.

The hardest part for me has been every step of the way prior to an in-person interview. Telephone interviews don't work for me and though I apply for jobs with an airbrushed picture of me in a suit, I typically only get two kinds of interviews and job offers, the really good ones or the really bad ones.

If she hasn't gotten an interview, she sadly just has to keep trying. Public schools are not only better places to work, they're somewhat less prejudicial in that they hire those of different backgrounds. I worked at a private elementary school where a majority of the teachers were non-white. Those schools are out there, you just have to keep looking. Beyond that, my advice would be to make sure that she's applying with a professional-looking photo.
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FastForward



Joined: 04 Jul 2011

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She hasn't received any job offers or interviews, even after responding to 100's of recruiters? I've worked with two girls that were African American and have seen many in the area. It was within commuting distance of Seoul. Maybe they lucked out, because they did not have a degree in English and one had very little experience. Is she a lot older than you? Maybe it is an age thing as well?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patience and perseverance.

Some photos of her in a classroom / school / working with kids / play setting would also help.

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cirval



Joined: 27 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She is 30, so that could be a small issue. She was here before and got a job without too much difficulty. It just seems like the job market isn't what it used to be and when there is a white person and a black person trying get a position, the white one always gets it.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cirval wrote:
She is 30, so that could be a small issue. She was here before and got a job without too much difficulty. It just seems like the job market isn't what it used to be and when there is a white person and a black person trying get a position, the white one always gets it.


If she was over 55 then age might be an issue.
Under 40 = non issue.

Race is an issue.
Photos..... get photos.....
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone have any advice about what steps she should take next, if she really wants a teaching position.


She could get her documents processed, come to Korea and meet with schools. She can "cut in line" by having a face to face interview over gambling from abroad.

You could come first, get started, and then she would arrive on a 90 day tourist visa. It might cost a little more upfront, but if you haven't gotten any bites in your home country going in person will greatly increase your chances.
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lemak



Joined: 02 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ECC in Pyeongtaek was one school I know of that preferred to hire black westerners over whites. I knew of a few Brit Indian guys and a couple of African Americans working there. Alas upon talking with most of these guys it didn't seem it was about noble concepts like equal opportunity or not seeing skin color as a detriment to teaching ability, rather as a method for her to pay a few hundred k won a month less in salaries to "less desirable" teachers.
If you're really desperate anyhow Pyeongtaek is only an hour or so south on the train line. Try the facebook page for the city and ask around. You'll likely be able to get the contact details for someone currently working there.


(*Bear in mind this was as of 2009 or so. Not sure if the somewhat flooded market has meant they can be a little more picky with their hiring selections these days*)
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She could try answering job offers directly if she hasn't already. I'm sure she'll get something eventually.

But, if you're in a hurry to get jobs, you might want to consider expanding your search outside of Seoul for both of you. It's not as if we're in the '80s or '90s. Provincial towns aren't so, well, provincial anymore.
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Unposter



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Youve got a job so the two of u should just come over. Then when she os here she should look for a job. This will improve her chances and the quality of the job.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contact Star Teachers, they've always been pretty color blind.
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face32



Joined: 06 Oct 2010
Location: USA

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.yea.or.kr/english/

yangpyeong english village. it's east of seoul. middle of nowhere. but they are the last subway stop on the teal-ish colored line. It's about an hour 45 min subway ride to seoul. Or 45 minutes on the KoRail train. They hire any race any age. It's not a hagwon though, you get new students every week. Their starting pay for most is 2.3, but since she is an education major she could get 2.4+. PM me if you want more information.
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peachKitten713



Joined: 13 May 2013

PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did it work out? Was she able to find a good job in/near Seoul?

I am having the same issue myself... I've had all of my documents ready since April, but I still haven't been able to find a job in Seoul. I was in Korea before in a more rural area, so I really want to be in Seoul this time around. I have gotten some replies/contact from recruiters and even had a few interviews, but nothing has come of it. I've even had people tell me straight up that schools will prefer Caucasians, so it will be difficult to place me.

I really want to be in Korea like yesterday haha, but I don't want to settle in some little village far away from where I want to be. I want to be in Seoul. But it is seeming so difficult. :/ I do have an interview with Seoul English Village tonight, so I'll see how that goes. But they haven't seen my picture yet, so....
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it stands, Caucasians are having a hard time getting jobs, too!
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maximmm



Joined: 01 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cirval wrote:
She is 30, so that could be a small issue. She was here before and got a job without too much difficulty. It just seems like the job market isn't what it used to be and when there is a white person and a black person trying get a position, the white one always gets it.


Ah, that's something I've been wondering about. I see a LOT of ads nowadays which say 'female preferred/only'. It makes me think that in today's market, there is a greater discrimination in terms of gender, rather than the color of one's skin.

After all, we no longer see 'black applicants need not apply' in the ads - though that could be simply be PR at work.

Hence, I wonder if these days, given the blatant sexism in the job ads, racism still trumps sexism, or whether that has changed.
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