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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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The point is that different societies view different traits as attractive. If you can't understand this fact then you need to get out more. In the world I mean.
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Then doesn't that infer that some societies value intelligence, refinement, and wit more than sheer brute strength?
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Sorry to break it to you but nerds/ dweebs are not sexy. Maybe if they make millions and can afford bodyguards, but otherwise no.
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However dweebs who make 120,000 a year are far more likely to be marriage material than some built guy working some crap job.
Women may sleep with the built guy, the guy they will marry and try to produce offspring with is usually the guy that is a stable provider.
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It goes by what women unconsciously select for, not by what you, steelrails, hypothesize is best.
If women selected only what is theoretically best for the human race then criminals, psychopaths and military dictators would never get laid. But thats not what happens, sorry.
Overwhelmingly women select men who are physically strong so as to protect them.
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Dude, when it comes to marrying and having kids, women tend to go for wealth, status, ambition, and responsibility.
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| In any case studies show that having a high IQ does not exactly lead to social success or happiness. Rather it is those with lower IQ's that reproduce faster and in greater numbers. |
Actually, without the influence of the high-IQ types, those with lower IQs would have extremely high mortality rates. Look at average life expectancy and IQ, I'd suspect there is a strong correlation (note, I do not believe this is racial, but rather an index of economics and education). There is a reason the few remaining hunter-gatherer societies where strength is valued are small in numbers and dwindling. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not disputing that some race or another might hypothetically be better at swimming. |
Its not "hypothetical", its a fact.
I know every ounce of your ridiculous PC-whipped being commands you to pretend all humans are equal, but in reality different human populations have differing characteristics that give them unique advantages. |
Well, that's the first time anyone has ever accused me of being politically correct, much less being "PC-whipped." Funny.
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| having a high average IQ is wildly more socially beneficial than having a high average swimming potential |
Maybe in your opinion. Others want their descendants to be physically strong, attractive and healthy rather than just computer nerds |
Not just my opinion. My opinion and the historic opinion of the Korean people, which if you'll remember, is the one relevant to the conversation. I don't think many Koreans are especially interested in what you think they should value. Individually, they want their children to excel academically and get good jobs; collectively, they want their nation to economically prosper. Both are reliant on IQ, and neither are particularly reliant on physique or swimming ability. So when you stand on your soap box insisting that they should value genetic diversity and swimming ability over genetic isolationism and higher IQ, all you're doing is insisting they shed their own opinions and adopt yours.
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| Certainly a build that grants outstanding swimming ability would be something attractive to select for if you live in a culture that supports itself by diving for seafood for example. |
Sure, but no modern nation is such a culture, so it's entirely irrelevant to the conversation. When being a good swimmer gets Koreans a job at Samsung, they'll care about your pro-swimming ideology.
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, and that the fact that you need to ignore that in order to make your "Mongrels are genetically superior" case |
Apart from your pathological need to be be ignored or maligned, "mongrels" is a derogatory term that is best used for domestic dogs rather than people. |
I am completely uninterested in what you consider derogatory. My children are mongrels, and I'm not insulting them by saying such. If you can't emotionally handle that? Tell your therapist, not me.
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| what we see is that it's the genetic isolates -- not the cross-breeders -- who trend towards the highest IQs |
In the case of east asians, sure: but then they have other unique genetic disadvantages. Studies show east asians suffer from problems with vision for example. |
Give any Korean a choice between perfect vision and low IQ, or needing glasses and having high IQ, and the overwhelming majority will select the latter. They know what they want, and it's not what you are selling, so all you're really doing is reinforcing the very "purity" ideology that you're arguing against. If they took your approach, they'd lose what they value and gain what they do not.
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| Personally I see ... |
Unimportant. You have mentioned you do not plan on having children (and even attacked the notion of parenthood as evidently selfish). That makes you a zero-fitness male from an evolutionary perspective; you've no direct stake in it, and you wouldn't even have an indirect stake in it if your family members followed your advice, so why should anyone listen to your opinion on the matter?
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| explain to me why I should want my child to genetically resemble the average African instead of the average Korean, Japanese, or Ashkenazi. |
Don't put words in my mouth. It doesn't have to genetically resemble any particular race. I'm saying that people of mixed race have a greater and more varied genetic heritage, which tends toward healthier humans. Wouldn't you rather have kids who are both highly intelligent as well as good at sport? |
I wouldn't sacrifice even a single IQ point for athletic competency. You are free to disagree with that, but the "arguments" you've presented in attempting to defend your disagreement actually reinforce my position as far as I'm concerned.
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In any case studies show that having a high IQ does not exactly lead to social success or happiness. Rather it is those with lower IQ's that reproduce faster and in greater numbers. |
On a group level, IQ is one of the strongest predictors of relative economic success. Low IQ populations do in fact generally breed faster, which is precisely why wise national policy includes strong immigration barriers. Hedonistic "happiness is what matters" is not something you're going to sell to me successfully. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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In the case of east asians, sure: but then they have other unique genetic disadvantages. Studies show east asians suffer from problems with vision for example.
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High IQ allows one to develop, operate, and afford first, spectacles, and later LASIK surgery which mitigates or eliminates such problems. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Then doesn't that infer that some societies value intelligence, refinement, and wit more than sheer brute strength? |
Of course. What you were trying to claim is that the entire world must value the same things that korea does.
If everyone was attracted to the same traits then the races would not have ever developed at all, we'd all look the same.
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| However dweebs who make 120,000 a year are far more likely to be marriage material than some built guy working some crap job. |
In Korea. Because this society values money and status to an extreme degree.
in other countries it may be different. A Korean droning about his samsung job at a party in the us would probably come a distant second to a guy with long hair who could crack jokes and play hendrix.
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| Women may sleep with the built guy, the guy they will marry and try to produce offspring with is usually the guy that is a stable provider. |
So long as he is strong and physically fit.
Thats what I'm saying. Women want someone who is most likely to give them healthy offspring.
The provider" role is important buit its still secondary to other factors.
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| My opinion and the historic opinion of the Korean people, which if you'll remember, is the one relevant to the conversation. |
Don't try to sneakily re-define this conversation to suit yourself.
We're talking about genetics in the world, not just korea.
If you think Korea is the world, you need to get out more.
read the above.
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| My children are mongrels, |
Do you call them that? If so I pity them.
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I wouldn't sacrifice even a single IQ point for athletic competency. |
But other cultures might do so. We're not discussing fox here, we're talking about the world. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| My opinion and the historic opinion of the Korean people, which if you'll remember, is the one relevant to the conversation. |
Don't try to sneakily re-define this conversation to suit yourself.
We're talking about genetics in the world, not just korea.
If you think Korea is the world, you need to get out more.
read the above. |
No, the topic is about Korea, and more specifically, why you think Koreans need to abandon the ideal of "genetic purity," as can be seen here:
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Korea needs to start teaching basic genetics from junior school onwards.
It is a proven fact that geographically isolated populations tend to accumulate harmful mutations as well as narrow their gene pool.
Human populations on large continental landmasses are healthier, more diverse because the females have had access to a wider genetic choice for longer. It seems obvious to me for example that Africans are more athletic than Koreans and northern europeans are generally superior swimmers because of their body type.
Races have their own strengths and weaknesses. The more races interbreed, the closer we get back to the original stronger, more robust humans that had a superior and more versatile genetic makeup.
Next time they tell you "pure blood" is superior, ask them why Koreans do not dominate the world at athletics or swimming.
The more mixed your ancestry, the prouder you really should be- not only because of a greater genetic, but also a wider cultural infusion. Many strands make a stronger rope. |
Play dumb if you like, I don't care, but I don't think you'll fool anyone.
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I wouldn't sacrifice even a single IQ point for athletic competency. |
But other cultures might do so. We're not discussing fox here, we're talking about the world. |
No, we're talking about Korea within the context of you attacking Korean "genetic purity" ideology, and within that context, it's clear Koreans have made their choice. It's not the choice you'd like, but it's clear that your disapproval doesn't bother them. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| A Korean droning about his samsung job at a party in the us would probably come a distant second to a guy with long hair who could crack jokes and play hendrix. |
Long hair is not the primary indicator of physical attractiveness, nor is muscle mass. The primary indicator is facial shape and symmetry. This is not based on "survival" genes.
Also, it is likely that a person with higher IQ would be able to crack those jokes. You seem to think that high IQ=Unable to be socially well-adjusted or have a good looking face.
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So long as he is strong and physically fit.
Thats what I'm saying. Women want someone who is most likely to give them healthy offspring.
The provider" role is important buit its still secondary to other factors. |
Dude, this isn't paleolithic times. This is the 21st century. Not every woman is looking for or wants some guy who looks like Conan the Barbarian.
They don't want Mike Tyson, they want Denzel Washington. Heck, they'd probably take Don Cheadle in glasses and a bow-tie over Mike Tyson.
Geez this is a fricking sad conversation. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| they want their nation to economically prosper. Both are reliant on IQ, |
Then why did they not prosper economically until recieving foreign intervention?
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| High IQ allows one to develop, operate, and afford first, spectacles, and later LASIK surgery |
Yourself and fox both claim that koreans are some sort of genetically superior race with incredible IQ. If that is the case why were they living in grass shelters until outsiders showed them what to do?
Every modern convenience, technology and comfort is the result of foreign, not korean, IQ,s at work.
They did not even invent the wheel, it made its first appearance in this country only around 1902 when brought in by the Japanese.
I'm not knocking Koreans. I'm saying that their IQ, if it is as amazing as you claim, is not one that translates to reality. Which makes it almost useless from a genetic standpoint.
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| when you stand on your soap box insisting that they should value genetic diversity and swimming ability over genetic isolationism and higher IQ, all you're doing is insisting they shed their own opinions and adopt yours. |
Your siding with the "pureblood" racist ideology is quite curious considering that you yourself are not korean.
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| If they took your approach, they'd lose what they value and gain what they do not. |
And if they took your approach you'd never have gotten a korean wife.
What I pity you most for is your perception that korean blood is better than your own, that by breeding with you, a Korean has "lost" a high IQ and that your kids will be less intelligent than koreans.
I think you've been here too long mate.
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| Low IQ populations do in fact generally breed faster, which is precisely why wise national policy includes strong immigration barriers. |
So now you're claiming that immigrants are all stupid and should be kept out. A racist, is what you are.
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| Long hair is not the primary indicator of physical attractiveness |
I'm talking about strength and fitness, not an attractive face.
Every living thing, and every human population studied, shows that females select virile healthy males as demonstrated by physique and physical strength first and foremost. If you don't get this concept I suggest you go and sit in a bar or nightclub for a while.
Bigger and stronger is a woman's instinct, and 20 years of samsung flat screen tvs cannot make a dent in this basic biological drive.
Its the reason Koreans themselves are taller and bigger than they were 50 years back. Because every female wants a taller and bigger man, so that her kids will be ...taller and bigger. And thus more likely to succeed. |
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Koharski
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Joined: 20 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Ok, this thread has reached level "STUPID"
Time for a lock.
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