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Why Are Koreans So Happy to Live Around Garbage?
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SR, and others, have invested far too much time on this site. If you do a search of some topic say in 2005, you'll see all sorts of poster, 90% of them have left the country, and whatever they said then it doesn't matter now. In 10 years, if SR is not still here posting, all the work he did will be forgotten. It doesn't matter. Really, do you remember topics of last year? Probably not. It doesn't matter.

I only post on this site because I'm deskwarming. (When I wasn't a public school teacher, I'd never even signed up.)
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're teaching English in Korea. 90% of whatever we do will be forgotten. It's called deskwarming time. What else to do but argue with some boobs while listening to Opie & Anthony or Dvorak or the replay of the Tigers-Royals game.

I'll freely admit that I obssess over this site while I'm at work, but give an alcoholic partier some credit, I have a fricking life after 5PM.
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nicwr2002



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discovering that these messages are generic doesn't denounce the fact that it could be targeted at someone and others. Let's say someone received these messages only after posting something negative and someone else received the messages for no apparent reason. Does that mean that both sets of messages were just completely random? The one sent to the person that didn't post could been a random message, but the other one could be targeted and appear to be random.

Wouldn't it make more sense to scatter these messages to random people instead of targeting them to certain people. By sending them randomly, it decreases the likely-hood of people taking it seriously. They will just think that, "Well, other people have received the same message so it's no big deal." Like I said before, I don't think it's very difficult for someone just to copy that message and send it out to people they don't like while also sending it to random accounts.

Now, I've seen these other posts about threatening messages before, so I know they are generic bot messages that appear on other sites. If it had been just me that received a message, then I would have chalked it up to random. However, two people have received messages after posting in the same thread. Both of the posters received those messages after saying something negative about someone or saying something positive about Japan.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is A) Someone lurking Dave's for the second a negative post about Korea comes up and instantly hitting their accounts with this spam bot message (the account of which will be deleted), but making sure to spred everything around so as to maintain concealment while simultaneously dilluting the impact of the message to the point where one dismisses it. or B) This is all coincidental and the two accounts that received the message are part of the latest wave that have hit Dave's.

You certainly raise a possibility that is not impossible. But I think it just as likely could have been coincidence. In each of the previous attacks, basher posters have assumed its been Korea haters, but the messages show themselves to be completely random. I'll take the history over the years of these attacks vs. 2 hits this past week.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just in case anyone wants to compare what was sent...

the FIRST one said,

"die of aids f@@kwit'.


the second said,


Isn't the internet great... etc

both were sent by mp5434rok

if you do a search on google 'i typed in die of aids etc spam bot', nothing will come up. Does look like a person did it.
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Gorf



Joined: 25 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah that's some Korean nationalist. I've gotten them a few times too.

I agree with the whole "my bubble" versus "out of my bubble" idea. It's the same reason that the inside of Korean buildings look nice, but the outsides look like crap.

At home people are happy to keep their spaces clean and tidy, but they lack a sense of community (Confucianism, city living, overpopulation, nature and nurture) and the whole rapid change of the economy.
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Moondoggy



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Are Koreans So Happy to Live Around Garbage? Reply with quote

nicwr2002 wrote:
Moondoggy wrote:
a country with a limited space and 50m people mostly living in highrise apts.


어쩌라고 Limit space and people living in high rise buildings is an excuse to litter everywhere? I'm not saying people don't litter in other countries, but I do notice it a lot more here. I see kids, teenagers, and even adults throwing wrappers on the street after leaving a CU. I see candy wrappers on mountain trails even in the country-side. I see coffee cups on walls, on the electric power boxes on the sidewalks, and even on the concrete blocks that are supposed to stop cars from driving on the sidewalks.

The trash bag system here isn't effective and I believe that the restaurants, apartment buildings, villas, one-rooms, and other places should have a garbage pick-up tax built in. Force them to purchase garbage cans for themselves and only pick up the trash if it's placed in one of these self-owned cans. These bins can be stored in a storage room and not left outside.

For the apartment buildings, I've seen certain locations for throwing your recyclables, but they need a better place for throwing away trash and that fee can be incorporated into maintenance bills. This can be the same for the villas and one-room areas.

People who place their bags of trash on the street or try to place their bags of trash in other people's garbage bin, can be picked up on the CCTV and fined.


Your brain is full of garbage, not the country. 필탈아
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Moondoggy



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
It all fits into a larger cultural picture. If the piles of litter were an anomaly in Korea Captain 'K' would have a point. But it fits into a larger pattern of lawnessness. Cars parked on crosswalks, spitting, running red lights, cutting in line, ignoring contracts, slamming doors, eating loudly with ones mouth open, stomping on the ceiling at 3am, public drunkenness, motorcycles on the crosswalk.


amen to that.

Moondoggy, you are either delusional or very, very stupid if you think korea is clean. its a cesspit and it makes me sick everyday how little respect koreans have for the environment they claim to love so much. its completely hypocritical. and one of the cleanest countries in the world! haha. it would be cleanest in asia (most of which is undeveloped incidently) if it wasnt for that pristine country next door where people have respect for each others space and conduct non antisocial behaviour. Thankgod for japan to set an example to you! even when i went to the Philippines it was mostly clean (apart from the air pollution).
Today i walked past gum stuck to the leaves of plants, about 100 square metres of crap dumped on a bit of green land, stinking sewers, about 4000 cigarette ends, some coffee cups decorating a tree, lotteria cartons lying everywhere, builders helmets thrown onto the street, a pavement blackened with gum etc etc between the bus and the front door (about 300 metres).
thats your clean country.

Maybe you should go to japan and find out how to behave properly?


your brain is full of garbage that's why you notice garbage all the time. you DF.
korea is one of the cleanest countries on planet earth. fyi i've traveled around the world, you SH. this board is full of human garbage...no wonder the girls call these SHs loser-back-home.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moondoggy is gone now.

Koharski
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koharski wrote:
Moondoggy is gone now.

Koharski

Good call, ref!
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atwood wrote:
Koharski wrote:
Moondoggy is gone now.

Koharski

Good call, ref!


Hear Hear.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koharski wrote:
Moondoggy is gone now.

Koharski


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'll miss his smile the most.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
SR, and others, have invested far too much time on this site. If you do a search of some topic say in 2005, you'll see all sorts of poster, 90% of them have left the country, and whatever they said then it doesn't matter now. In 10 years, if SR is not still here posting, all the work he did will be forgotten. It doesn't matter. Really, do you remember topics of last year? Probably not. It doesn't matter.


Actually the best part is that all the same stuff was being talked about back in 2005. There are no new ideas being contributed to the standard run of topics. From my perspective, I don't see how anyone can get deeply involved in threads criticizing Western women or praising Korean women, or the traffic/pedestrian threads (they are my one guilty pleasure, to be fair), or the trash threads, or idiot Korean co-teachers, or anything of that nature. Maybe if there were some satire or something, that might be worthwhile, but no, it's always the same tired arguments with busted O-rings appearing.

I realize part of that is my problem. I should probably just move on, considering how long I've been a member here, and how little interest I have in the hot or thoughtful topics that pervade this board. But the pickings for Korean expat boards are slim. And occasionally I can offer someone advice over on the job discussion board or whatever.

What I don't get is the old hands still jumping into these sorts of threads, preaching the same tired points they were 5 or 10 years ago. I would figure they would have grown weary of these repetitive debates and just stopped clicking on them; I know I did.
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supershi2012



Joined: 03 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, getting back to the topic at hand...

My friends and I were in Seoul train station waiting for the train home. We were sitting in a corner with our bags. Not far from our corner was a platform that Koreans were sitting on. As the day wore on (we were there for a while), there was a steady collection of bottles, cups, and plastic wrappers. Now my friends and I bought stuff from the CU, but kept the plastic bag to toss our stuff. One of the security guards come over to us and tells us to get up (at this point we've been there for about 5 hours). He then looks at the trash and looks at us. He asks us if we had a bag. I give him the bag full of our trash and he proceeds to clean up.

There are trash cans on the first floor of the station. I'm sure some of the people had to pass them on the way out/to the tracks.

I also wonder how often does a foreigner get chewed out for something like littering...
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