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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Is Teaching In Hagwons THAT Bad? |
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I have some unpleasant news for you: working in Korea is a dead end. Period. Once you get to a university, you've hit the top and the top ain't want it used to be. In the year 2000, I had five months' vacation, free apartment, 16 hours and W2.0m... |
2 million is not the top, not even close...it is quite possible to make double that on an E-2 visa and that's without doing illegal privates.
Yes if you just want to coast along at a job then working in Korea (or most anywhere) is a dead end. |
How would you suggest going about this? I know if you end up marrying a Korean it's fine with privates, but how to make real money at a uni job on an E-2? |
Several ways.
One way is to request that your Uni let you have a second job. If you are only teaching 16-20 hours per week you should have enough time to either teach extra classes at another place or (if lucky) get a regular part-time editing job.
If you can arrange that, there should be no problem hitting close to the 4 million won mark a month.
The thing to remember is to keep upgrading your qualifications (TESOL, DELTA, CELTA) and network. Join a church or a couple of clubs. Some people there might be able to let you know of legit opportunities.
If all you have is a B.A and English as your mother tongue there's nothing stopping the powers that be from replacing you with a FOB newbie. If you've proven yourself and are actually qualified...some places (not all) will make it worth your while.
What if the Uni doesn't let you? Unless it's an exceptional job otherwise...I'd probably find somewhere else to work.
I can't speak for anyone else...but as I believe in doing my best for the classes I teach so too do I believe in maximizing my financial remuneration. A honest day's work deserves a honest day's wage and if your workplace is not interested in pro quid quo...then I can't say I'd want to work there. |
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Teechuh
Joined: 15 Jun 2013
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Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the trick is to make sure you talk to the teacher you'll be replacing. If the hagwon won't put you in touch with them or the teacher only gives it a luke warm recommendation it probably isn't worth a year of your life. I made that mistake the first year and lived to regret it. Second time around though I took the time to do my research properly and I have ended up in a great school with a fantastic boss and co-workers and have had had zero problems in my eighteen months here. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Regarding teaching at a University with an E-2 visa, (with just a BA)
If you've found one that will hire you in the first place, you're doing well.
Many universities won't hire teachers on E2 visas because they don't want
the hassle of dealing with all that "visa crap". They'll even give someone married to a Korean with just a BA preference over someone with an MA and an E2.
The ones that may will likely work you to death with extra classes
for little or no extra pay. I do know some people who have gone that route.
You're better off in a PS job than what many of the low tier Unis offer.
So if your Uni won't allow you to work other jobs, you'd make sure
another Uni will even hire you before you walk away. |
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Threequalseven
Joined: 08 May 2012
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Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Just come over. Take the plunge. It's only a year. I came over with my girlfriend last August and we've had no regrets. There's no reason to not go because it might not be as good as you'd hoped. Understand that horror stories are the minority. Of all the hagwon teacher's I've met here so far, I've only known one to quit her job. Living in Korea is an experience that you'll always have, so why not come try it out? Just don't get any ideas in your head that it will be fun and easy and rainbows and flowers. There's a reason you're getting paid to do it. The hagwon system is pretty bad: few days off, unrealistic expectations, teaching to impress the parents not to actually learn English. I don't know anybody who thoroughly enjoys working at a hagwon. But that's no reason not to come. You'll experience a new country and you'll save a good fit of money as well.
The BIG issue is going to be how well you and your girlfriend can get along living in such close quarters and seeing each other 24/7. If I were you, I would prepare yourselves to try to spend as much time apart as you can. That means finding your own hobbies, going to the gym at different times, that sort of thing. All the couples I know can agree that spending so much time with one person is seriously trying on your relationship. So instead of asking whether working at a hagwon is a good decision, I'd be asking if you're ready to be around this person ALL THE TIME. |
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