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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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What a game. I thought it was going to be a close game but that was unreal. If the Heat win Game 7, Ray Allen probably won't get the MVP but he saved the Heat's ass.
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| I never really question decisions by coach Popp but not putting Duncan in before that shot by Ray Allen was head scratching. |
I agree. I thought Duncan should have stayed in the game. But they also had a chance to call a time-out at the end. Ginobili decided to just dribble the ball like hell but somebody on the Spurs should have called a timeout. Maybe Tony Parker should have stayed in the game as well.
I expect Tim Duncan to be fully ready for Game 7. He's just so efficient out there it's amazing. I don't know if Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili have anything left though. That could be the key for Game 7. Man, what a series. I did not expect this. |
What could Duncan have done different? Miami put a small lineup on the floor so Popavich matched it. Diaw is quicker than Duncan on the perimeter. The problem was the 2 guys chasing Lebron on the shot and Bosh got a clean board. Nobody even touched him. That happened twice down the stretch. The Spurs missed some free throws late in the game too. Duncan played great 3/4 of the game. Parker shot like garbage but did some real good things in the third. Then Duncan and Parker almost disappeared in the regulation and OT.
Spolestra needs a better game plan down in close game and do more than just clear outs for Wade and James. Game 7 will be fun to watch. |
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KOREAN_MAN
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Duncan could have gotten a rebound or two to seal the game if he were in the game. Of course, we don't know that for sure.
Daum's Sports page showed me something very interesting. Apparently, CBS found out that the NBA dodged a bullet based on what Coach Pop did at the end of regulation.
When Ray Allen made the three-point shot to tie the game, the referees stopped the game to check on the play to make sure it was, in fact, a three. At the time of Ray's shooting, Tim Duncan was not on the floor. But after the review, Tim Duncan sneaked into the game. Gregg Popovich clearly made an illegal substitution. (It was not a time-out hence subs were not possible at that moment.) There's a very good chance that Coach Pop knew exactly what he was doing. But the officials didn't and Tim Duncan was able to play the remaining 5.2 seconds. If the Spurs somehow made a basket and went onto win the championship that night, it would have been a disaster.
Here's the link on the article: (the video is irrelevant)
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/22479141/on-key-possession-in-game-6-duncan-was-on-the-floor-illegally |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| KOREAN_MAN wrote: |
Duncan could have gotten a rebound or two to seal the game if he were in the game. Of course, we don't know that for sure.
Daum's Sports page showed me something very interesting. Apparently, CBS found out that the NBA dodged a bullet based on what Coach Pop did at the end of regulation.
When Ray Allen made the three-point shot to tie the game, the referees stopped the game to check on the play to make sure it was, in fact, a three. At the time of Ray's shooting, Tim Duncan was not on the floor. But after the review, Tim Duncan sneaked into the game. Gregg Popovich clearly made an illegal substitution. (It was not a time-out hence subs were not possible at that moment.) There's a very good chance that Coach Pop knew exactly what he was doing. But the officials didn't and Tim Duncan was able to play the remaining 5.2 seconds. If the Spurs somehow made a basket and went onto win the championship that night, it would have been a disaster.
Here's the link on the article: (the video is irrelevant)
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/22479141/on-key-possession-in-game-6-duncan-was-on-the-floor-illegally |
Tricks of the trade. At the NBA level there are tons. Game 7 should be interesting. I've got basketball camp today. I might just make the first and only drill of the day watching game 7. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Expletive.
Heartbreaking to see Duncan miss the easy lay to tie the game with 40 seconds left. Painful loss for non-bandwagon fans. |
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KOREAN_MAN
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Just say that you were wrong.
LeBron played probably the best game of his life on the biggest stage. I gotta give him some love now. He played like a champion. I also hope the Spurs bring back everyone for the next season. Tim Duncan played like he can play for five more years. Great win by the Heat. Let's threepeat! |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:35 am Post subject: |
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I'm so heartbroken by that game, uggghh so close in game 6 and to lose it that way in game 7. still one of the best game 7's ive seen in a long time in the nba
probably the best nba finals i've seen since the late 80's when magic repeated against the bad boys for his last title |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| KOREAN_MAN wrote: |
| Just say that you were wrong. |
If that is so important to you, I can be a big boy and relieve your bandwagon satisfaction: Of course I was wrong, I predicted the Spurs to win and they didn't, unfortunately, but I said I'd eat my words if they lost, and they did. Game 7 was a great game and LeBron played extremely well; though I understand why Pop wanted to put it on LeBron to make the shots, which he did in the second half, they still gave him too much distance. But he made his shots confidently. I said it would come down to game 6, which it did, because that game turned from what seemed like a clear Spur victory, to what would end up being a detrimental finals loss in game 7. I was surprised they got so close in game 7, but the Spurs killed themselves at the end in game 6 and 7.
There's something important to be said about true sports franchise fans, though. Korean Man, though I respect his point of view, seems like a fair weather fan, or a LeBron fan, or whatever. Maybe he's always been a Heat fan, but I doubt that is the case. I'd guess him, warmachine and others would label themselves "basketball fans" to avoid any kind of general stereotype. But, these are people who came out as Heat bandwagoners or LeBron bandwagon fans from the start. I really don't respect those kinds of fans, but don't take it personally. People like that are not representative of the sport. Warmachine grew up in Tennessee, so I respect that he's a grizz fan. Did Korea Man grow up in Miami? Has he ever lived in Florida or been a Heat fan previously? I don't know, maybe, you tell me. But, if he hasn't, I'd like to question why himself and other gyopos like jyanng automatically jump on the Miami bandwagon. Just because I think there's a trend here and the group in this thread has been extremely small.
Miami won, fair and square. I see it as a somewhat passing of the torch, and that has occurred in the NBA decade after decade, but it's almost always between the big market teams, so I want to salute what is likely the most prolific small market team dynasty of all time. Oh, how I wish they had won. And how I loathe Miami as a city and Florida as a state. Shithole, idiot meth capital of the US. San Antonio isn't much better as a city, but they'll forever be the modest of all basketball dynasties. I'm sure we were all entertained, and I guess that's what really matters. |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| augustine wrote: |
| KOREAN_MAN wrote: |
| Just say that you were wrong. |
If that is so important to you, I can be a big boy and relieve your bandwagon satisfaction: Of course I was wrong, I predicted the Spurs to win and they didn't, unfortunately, but I said I'd eat my words if they lost, and they did. Game 7 was a great game and LeBron played extremely well; though I understand why Pop wanted to put it on LeBron to make the shots, which he did in the second half, they still gave him too much distance. But he made his shots confidently. I said it would come down to game 6, which it did, because that game turned from what seemed like a clear Spur victory, to what would end up being a detrimental finals loss in game 7. I was surprised they got so close in game 7, but the Spurs killed themselves at the end in game 6 and 7.
There's something important to be said about true sports franchise fans, though. Korean Man, though I respect his point of view, seems like a fair weather fan, or a LeBron fan, or whatever. Maybe he's always been a Heat fan, but I doubt that is the case. I'd guess him, warmachine and others would label themselves "basketball fans" to avoid any kind of general stereotype. But, these are people who came out as Heat bandwagoners or LeBron bandwagon fans from the start. I really don't respect those kinds of fans, but don't take it personally. People like that are not representative of the sport. Warmachine grew up in Tennessee, so I respect that he's a grizz fan. Did Korea Man grow up in Miami? Has he ever lived in Florida or been a Heat fan previously? I don't know, maybe, you tell me. But, if he hasn't, I'd like to question why himself and other gyopos like jyanng automatically jump on the Miami bandwagon. Just because I think there's a trend here and the group in this thread has been extremely small.
Miami won, fair and square. I see it as a somewhat passing of the torch, and that has occurred in the NBA decade after decade, but it's almost always between the big market teams, so I want to salute what is likely the most prolific small market team dynasty of all time. Oh, how I wish they had won. And how I loathe Miami as a city and Florida as a state. Shithole, idiot meth capital of the US. San Antonio isn't much better as a city, but they'll forever be the modest of all basketball dynasties. I'm sure we were all entertained, and I guess that's what really matters. |
I told you I'm a Grizzlies fan and I can give people their props when they're due.
Cities like OKC, Houston, Boston, San Antonio are conservative by nature. Then cities like Los Angeles and Miami are much more flamboyant because of the make-up of their culture. It's part of sports and always will be.
You're being a hypocrite and very un-Spurs like. Go give Lebron and D-Wade a hug like Pop and Duncan and eat your crow. |
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KOREAN_MAN
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Did I like the Heat before LeBron James got there? Yes, I did. I had to. Why? They beat the Mavs, and Mark Cuban, in the finals. I'll always thank them for that one. (And the Heat also broke my heart when they got beat by Dallas a few years ago. But whatever. Dirk was just too hot that year.)
I don't think I'd call myself a fan of LeBron James. He just doesn't play the way I want him to. But I became a supporter of LeBron James after seeing so many people bitching about the one-hour show and how he decided to join the Heat. I thought he made the announcement that way because he didn't want to piss off anybody. He probably had to call like 2000 people to let them know, one by one, about his decision. I'm sure they all told him "Tell me first, LeBron. Me first!" Announcing his decision on air was a fair way to let everybody know at the same time. I was really shocked so many people made that an issue in the first place. People just need to grow up.
Nobody wins by themselves. Michael had Scottie. Kareem had Magic. Bird had McHale. Of course LeBron has to have somebody by his side. The best part of his game is his passing. He needs teammates who he can pass the ball to. It's that simple. By the way, there weren't that many teams in the past for players to move. Of course Magic couldn't leave LA. Where was he going to go? Boston? Detroit? Tell me one athlete who stayed in Cleveland and got anywhere. LeBron is a two-time champion because he made the right decision. At the time, I thought Miami would be the best fit for LeBron but he would decide to stay put in Cleveland because he's stupid. Well, he took me by surprise.
If I were a bandwagon fan like some gyopos are (Well, I don't know if I'm a gyopo) I would be a Laker fan. But I'll never, ever be a Mav or Laker fan. For a long time I was a Bulls fan, then the Blazers, and now the Heat. Hmm, weird... I just realized that they all wear red and black. It must be the colors.  |
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Jyang486
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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What was off about your argument, augustine, is that if you weren't cheering for the Spurs, then automatically you were a fairweather bandwagon Heat fan. What are you to do if your team doesn't make the Finals? We're not allowed to make our opinions or comment on what we watched, unless it's in favor of the Spurs? I think your own personal hate for the Heat has clouded your judgement of basketball fans in general.
I was born and raised in DC, but used to be a diehard Seattle Supersonics fan. Then they went to OKC, and I do enjoy watching them, but I'm not as big of a fan as I was with the Sonics. I'm more of a Grizzlies fan now, tremendous respect for Zbo/Gasol/Conley, than OKC. After both the Griz and OKC got dropped, I just gave my opinions on who was going to win it all. I watched the Heat at their best against Indy, crushed them, and at their worst against Indy, get beat. But at their best, they're unstoppable, and that's what I was expecting from them in the Finals when they can sniff their 2nd ring together. I didn't jump on the Heat bandwagon, I just defended them when you made remarks along the lines of they are an awful team that's overrated. If you take away Danny Green's historic three point shooting in the first six games, is this even a series? Lebron was bad for 3 games and his normal attacking self for 1 game, and they still were 2-2. Points like that automatically made me a bandwagon Heat fan apparently.
One thing was for sure this series though. No one knew what they were talking about. After each game everyone were like this series is over, and the other team always stormed back. This was probably the most enjoyable Finals I have watched in quite a long time. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| warmachinenkorea wrote: |
| cities like Los Angeles and Miami are much more flamboyant because of the make-up of their culture. It's part of sports and always will be. |
Almost. Cities like LA and Miami are full of egomaniacs, retarded people, and fair weather fans. I went to college in southern California, around LA, and have been to Miami twice... and I reserve my right to be a bitter sports fan when either of those shithole cities win anything, because the people who inhabit those areas are the worst group think garbage people on the planet. If you want to similarly be a fair weather fan because the Spurs beat Memphis or because the Heat beat the Mavs, go right ahead. But I'll dislike them equally for Wade being a poon who had to be dragged off the court in a wheelchair, crying like a baby after dislocating his shoulder and LeBron being a sketchy, standoffish performer in the clutch compared to MJ and Kobe (though he obviously helped his legacy enormously yesterday).
Eat your crow, I didn't know people still said that, but since you're a disgruntled Grizzlies fan, we aren't all that different. Only difference being that you only entered the thread as a fake Heat fan AFTER your team lost to SA. So, who's the hypocrite? Eat your own crow and enjoy your fake victory. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| What was off about your argument, augustine, is that if you weren't cheering for the Spurs, then automatically you were a fairweather bandwagon Heat fan. |
No, you two jumped on the LeBron/Heat bandwagon immediately even though neither of you have any affiliation with Florida, though correct me if I'm wrong about that. I'm just against teams that stack superstars to win championships and poons like Wade, and that goes for any sport. |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| augustine wrote: |
| Jyang486 wrote: |
| What was off about your argument, augustine, is that if you weren't cheering for the Spurs, then automatically you were a fairweather bandwagon Heat fan. |
No, you two jumped on the LeBron/Heat bandwagon immediately even though neither of you have any affiliation with Florida, though correct me if I'm wrong about that. I'm just against teams that stack superstars to win championships and poons like Wade, and that goes for any sport. |
Again my first comment on this thread was...
You're an idiot aren't you?
Your hated team won back-to-back titles. Your hated player is a back-to-back MVP and Finals MVP. My invitation for a game of one-on-one is still open. I've had surgery on both knees, a bad ankle and back. If you can't beat me then shut up. You're a moron and a coward. |
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Koharski
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus, even a thread about the NBA turns into a giant pissing match.
Locked.
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