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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Neil wrote: |
Kindergarten: Casual wear.
Hagwon: Shirt and slacks.
Public school: Same as hagwon but maybe with a tie if asked.
Business classes: Oppa gecko style.
Never did uni classes but would assume it's the same as business,
It really isn't that difficult.
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| A good number of EFL teachers in Korea dress like complete slobs. |
Corrected that for you.
True expats (professionals "expatriated" to a foreign country through an MNC on a package..usually lucrative) usually dress the part. At least the ones I came across did.
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True expats, yes they usually wear expensive and quality suits, however you left out the part where after work they encamp en mass to 3 Alleys or Seoul Pub and throw racist, drunken temper tantrums after their 3rd pint whilst treating the Korean staff like garbage. A well paid pig in a suit is still a pig. |
Corporate expats, yes, but I've met a few engineers (who I might add make in 1 month what most English Instructors make in a year), who could pass for red neck white trash back home.
They don't quite have the 23 year old fresh out of college aesthetic... more of the grizzled 50 year old gruff white man aesthetic thing happening..
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| This time of year it's trousers and short sleeve shirts for me until the weather cools down. When it's cooler I'll go suit and tie or v-neck sweater and tie. Part of the reason is to separate myself from the ESL teachers going to work every day dressed like college students. I don't have anything against them, but don't want to be associated with that image. |
Please tell me you're not a "visiting professor" at some uni who thinks he's better than hogwan or public school teachers because he works at a uni and has his all mighty on-line MA from a diploma mill.
I've met a few of those types... talk about loony tunes
Seriously, though, Korea is a very image orientated society. If you're not sure what to wear, match what your Korean co-workers are wearing.  |
I know a few yo-yos like this. One introduces himself as "Dr. so-and-so, Professor of English" and printed out business cards to the same effect. Real piece of work. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| Paddycakes wrote: |
Corporate expats, yes, but I've met a few engineers (who I might add make in 1 month what most English Instructors make in a year), who could pass for red neck white trash back home.
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As an engineer-in-training who hopes to return to Korea one day, I'm curious about this comment. Did they actually tell you what they earn or are you guessing? I've seen jobs advertised for engineers with 20+ years of experience that paid around $15,000/month. The average annual salary for a NET must be at least near 24 million won.
I'd say that if you're earning that kind of money and working in an office, then a suit should be worn daily. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:58 am Post subject: |
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I know a few yo-yos like this. One introduces himself as "Dr. so-and-so, Professor of English" and printed out business cards to the same effect. Real piece of work. |
If someone has a PhD and teaches at a university, they are both a doctor and a professor. When I was a student, it was custom at my university to call instructors "Prof. (last name)" or "Dr. (last name)". |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| Paddycakes wrote: |
Corporate expats, yes, but I've met a few engineers (who I might add make in 1 month what most English Instructors make in a year), who could pass for red neck white trash back home.
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As an engineer-in-training who hopes to return to Korea one day, I'm curious about this comment. Did they actually tell you what they earn or are you guessing? I've seen jobs advertised for engineers with 20+ years of experience that paid around $15,000/month. The average annual salary for a NET must be at least near 24 million won.
I'd say that if you're earning that kind of money and working in an office, then a suit should be worn daily. |
They told me, and these aren't your typical ESL Teacher 'Barstool and Bullsh*t' types.
These were highly specialist guys though, not just general engineers.
You can meet a lot of these guys in and around Busan; they work in the shipyards a lot of them. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| Paddycakes wrote: |
| Squire wrote: |
| This time of year it's trousers and short sleeve shirts for me until the weather cools down. When it's cooler I'll go suit and tie or v-neck sweater and tie. Part of the reason is to separate myself from the ESL teachers going to work every day dressed like college students. I don't have anything against them, but don't want to be associated with that image. |
Please tell me you're not a "visiting professor" at some uni who thinks he's better than hogwan or public school teachers because he works at a uni and has his all mighty on-line MA from a diploma mill.
I've met a few of those types... talk about loony tunes
Seriously, though, Korea is a very image orientated society. If you're not sure what to wear, match what your Korean co-workers are wearing. |
On the contrary, I work at a public elementary myself- no MA. I didn't mean I want to separate myself from all ESL teachers here, just the immature types that bring our reputation down |
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:31 am Post subject: |
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I know a few yo-yos like this. One introduces himself as "Dr. so-and-so, Professor of English" and printed out business cards to the same effect. Real piece of work. |
If someone has a PhD and teaches at a university, they are both a doctor and a professor. When I was a student, it was custom at my university to call instructors "Prof. (last name)" or "Dr. (last name)". |
This guy only has an MA (one of those online ones). At my university I almost always called my profs by their first names. Only used the 'Prof' designation when sending an e-mail to one I hadn't yet met. Never called one Dr. but you're right that a PhD can use that designation if they wish.
In the states I don't know many that do so outside of the medical profession.
In Korea though, most western uni teachers with MAs use the Dr. term. Probably cultural differences at play, or their heads are full of air. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| In Korea though, most western uni teachers with MAs use the Dr. term. Probably cultural differences at play, or their heads are full of air. |
I agree that anybody with an MA who calls themself Dr. (or even professor) are full of hot air, however, I don't think it's fair to say that most do it.
In my own experience I've only ever come across one guy who insisted he a professor since he was employed by a university. He was an idiot. |
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| toby99 wrote: |
| In Korea though, most western uni teachers with MAs use the Dr. term. Probably cultural differences at play, or their heads are full of air. |
I agree that anybody with an MA who calls themself Dr. (or even professor) are full of hot air, however, I don't think it's fair to say that most do it.
In my own experience I've only ever come across one guy who insisted he a professor since he was employed by a university. He was an idiot. |
yeah you're right. I meant to say that I've run into some uni instructors here with MAs who refer to themselves as Profs; haven't heard many demand to be called "Dr.", thank god.
The MAs should probably refer to themselves as Lecturers or Instructors rather than Profs (I couldn't call myself a prof with a straight face unless I had a Phd). But I think Korean society is ok referring to them as profs, so prof probably not an incorrect assertion. But in general I think anyone who cares much about such a distinction is a loser. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| On the contrary, I work at a public elementary myself- no MA. I didn't mean I want to separate myself from all ESL teachers here, just the immature types that bring our reputation down |
Sadly times have changed. You can be the best, most professional ESL teacher in Korea but once you introduce yourself to Koreans and say you're an English teacher, there is an immediate stigma attached to it. May this wasn't the case 10-15 years ago but the yahoos teaching English that Asia accepts (Japan included) have ruined it for everyone.
If you introduce yourself as something other than a soldier or an English teacher, its amazing how you are perceived differently. Just my observations. |
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