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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:43 pm Post subject: Roh said “the biggest problem is the United States." |
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Looks like some of the records of a secret dialogue at a 2007 summit have been declassified. I like this - I like to know which side people are on. Obviously, Noh wasn't on my side.
Some highlights...
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According to the summary, North Korea’s Kim proposed to Roh a joint fishery zone near the NLL, and Roh replied: “In regards to this matter, I have the same perception. The NLL must be changed.”
Roh said, “There is no legal or logical basis” to the legitimacy of the border but the border “is actually effective.
“For North Korean people, it could be a matter of their pride,” Roh said. “For the Southern side, we also have some people making territorial claims based on this border.”
Roh said some people in the south were “sensitive” to the NLL issue, “and their voices are really loud .?.?. So what we want to propose is to cover the current military map with a large map of peace and economy,” referring to a joint economic zone.
When Kim asked Roh if there was any resistance in the South to such a plan for a zone, Roh said, “There is no one in the South who opposes the idea of creating a peaceful cooperation zone in the Yellow Sea. If he did, he would become a fool on the Internet.”
When it came to North Korea’s nuclear weapons program, Roh made a shocking comment that he supported the North Korean position, according to the summary.
“I have fought against the U.S. over the North’s position on the matter of the nuclear weapons program,” Roh said. “At international venues, I have advocated the Northern side.”
Roh also urged Kim to resume the interrupted construction of two light-water reactors in North Korea, based on the 1994 Agreed Framework.
In terms of Pyongyang-Washington relations, Roh said “the biggest problem is the United States.
“I also have the perception that the imperialist history [of the U.S.] has never been apologized for and it shows its hegemonic ambition.” |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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No surprise there. Roh was always pretty two-faced...always telling people what they wanted to hear depending on which party he was with at the time.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/13/world/aftereffects-asian-front-south-korean-leader-wants-us-troops-to-stay-for-now.html
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South Korea's new president, Roh Moo Hyun, said yesterday that he would urge President Bush not to remove American forces from the region just below the demilitarized zone, where they have been stationed for the past half-century, until the North Korean nuclear threat had been dismantled.
Mr. Roh was responding, in an interview with The New York Times, to plans that South Korean officials say have been discussed informally by the Pentagon. They are likely to be part of a broader discussion about how to contain the North Korean nuclear threat during a meeting and working dinner on Wednesday evening with President Bush, the first time the two leaders have met.
Mr. Roh's position appeared to mark something of a reversal. Years ago, he signed a declaration calling for the removal of American troops from the Korean peninsula -- an act he said yesterday was a mistake -- and he was elected late last year after widespread street protests in South Korea against the American military presence. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm continually amazed at how inept people end up in very powerful positions. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Whether people agree with him or not (I personally agree with him), it does not look good for Park Guen-Hye, a very capable socialist president. Especially when the NIS did pretty illegal things during the presidential election season.
The economy is dying. People are so frustrated even without any help from shady political mishaps. It doesn't look like Park Guen-Hye could survive this year. We are seeing history here.
We're likely going to see a very huge political vacuum in South Korea around November or December of this year. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
Whether people agree with him or not (I personally agree with him), it does not look good for Park Guen-Hye, a very capable socialist president. Especially when the NIS did pretty illegal things during the presidential election season.
The economy is dying. People are so frustrated even without any help from shady political mishaps. It doesn't look like Park Guen-Hye could survive this year. We are seeing history here.
We're likely going to see a very huge political vacuum in South Korea around November or December of this year. |
I'm so happy reading this.
Every time I read one of your posts, I know the opposite is going to happen, and it gives me hope.  |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
I'm so happy reading this.
Every time I read one of your posts, I know the opposite is going to happen, and it gives me hope. |
Don't worry. I know I'm right without offending you like a good Canadian would do. I have the Canadian-Japanese bestseller Benjamin Fulford on my side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1duCIdio8t8
And not to mention that Koreans don't have any faith in democracy anyways. What's the point of arguing with a Seoul-born gyopo like me?
And color me surprise. According to this YTN news, the National Assembly activities are all stopped because of this NLL incident. Another dead parliament to bring down the whole democratic political system.
http://www.ytn.co.kr/_ln/0101_201306251222044455 |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
What's the point of arguing with a Seoul-born gyopo like me?
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Oh, playing the race card, eh? I'm willing to bet that Captain Corea has spent more time in Korea than you have, not that I'm taking any sides in the argument. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
I'm so happy reading this.
Every time I read one of your posts, I know the opposite is going to happen, and it gives me hope. |
Don't worry. I know I'm right without offending you like a good Canadian would do. I have the Canadian-Japanese bestseller Benjamin Fulford on my side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1duCIdio8t8
And not to mention that Koreans don't have any faith in democracy anyways. What's the point of arguing with a Seoul-born gyopo like me?
And color me surprise. According to this YTN news, the National Assembly activities are all stopped because of this NLL incident. Another dead parliament to bring down the whole democratic political system.
http://www.ytn.co.kr/_ln/0101_201306251222044455 |
Yes, you've been promoting his stuff for quite a while here
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2858515&highlight=#2858515
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
What's the point of arguing with a Seoul-born gyopo like me?
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Race and ethnicity should not be a criteria for validity of one's posts. Argue the issue, not your heritages.
You could speak on experience, but Captain Corea's point is not less valid simply because he is a Canadian-born Caucasian.
It's crap when ethnicity is used to dismiss ethnically Korean posters, and its crap when ethnicity is used to dismiss non-ethnically Korean posters. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| Oh, playing the race card, eh? I'm willing to bet that Captain Corea has spent more time in Korea than you have, not that I'm taking any sides in the argument. |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Race and ethnicity should not be a criteria for validity of one's posts. Argue the issue, not your heritages.
You could speak on experience, but Captain Corea's point is not less valid simply because he is a Canadian-born Caucasian.
It's crap when ethnicity is used to dismiss ethnically Korean posters, and its crap when ethnicity is used to dismiss non-ethnically Korean posters. |
Ummm.... you know I always have been dismissing myself in most of my posts in this section of this forum, right? As God as my witness. I love to insult myself for my pious well-being. And I let everyone to insult me in the worst way. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| Oh, playing the race card, eh? I'm willing to bet that Captain Corea has spent more time in Korea than you have, not that I'm taking any sides in the argument. |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Race and ethnicity should not be a criteria for validity of one's posts. Argue the issue, not your heritages.
You could speak on experience, but Captain Corea's point is not less valid simply because he is a Canadian-born Caucasian.
It's crap when ethnicity is used to dismiss ethnically Korean posters, and its crap when ethnicity is used to dismiss non-ethnically Korean posters. |
Ummm.... you know I always have been dismissing myself in most of my posts in this section of this forum, right? As God as my witness. I love to insult myself for my pious well-being. And I let everyone to insult me in the worst way. |
Using religion to claim the moral high-ground now? You really are on a roll. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| Using religion to claim the moral high-ground now? You really are on a roll. |
Not really. I use both my religion and my personal morality to gain my right to be insulted by people. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| I just don't understand you. Must be because I'm a white dude from the States who isn't religious. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:56 am Post subject: |
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It's a complicated subject matter. Korea on the whole has been a pawn played by 3 superpowers - China, USSR (when it was still in the game) and China. The division of Korea occurred primarily due to the geopolitical games of the three superpowers after WWII - the same thing happened to Germany (well... it kind of started the whole thing, so it's hard to feel much pity there) and Yugoslavia.
If Roh wants to blame anyone, he should blame the 3 main players, rather than single out USA. As far as nuclear ambitions are concerned - it's a tough one. I for one believe that nuclear weapons should be destroyed, but that will never happen, so the question is then, should every nation possess them and why or why not? When we invented nuclear weapons, we've opened a can of worms we'll never be able to close again. It seems likely that at some point many more nations will possess nuclear weapons and the current debate will no longer be an issue. Of course, it's also probable that at some point those weapons will be used and then all debates will cease to exist permanently.
Yep, I am a pessimist, or rather, I believe that the stupidity of humanity will prevail in the end^^ |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| maximmm wrote: |
It's a complicated subject matter. Korea on the whole has been a pawn played by 3 superpowers - China, USSR (when it was still in the game) and China. The division of Korea occurred primarily due to the geopolitical games of the three superpowers after WWII - the same thing happened to Germany (well... it kind of started the whole thing, so it's hard to feel much pity there) and Yugoslavia.
If Roh wants to blame anyone, he should blame the 3 main players, rather than single out USA. As far as nuclear ambitions are concerned - it's a tough one. I for one believe that nuclear weapons should be destroyed, but that will never happen, so the question is then, should every nation possess them and why or why not? When we invented nuclear weapons, we've opened a can of worms we'll never be able to close again. It seems likely that at some point many more nations will possess nuclear weapons and the current debate will no longer be an issue. Of course, it's also probable that at some point those weapons will be used and then all debates will cease to exist permanently.
Yep, I am a pessimist, or rather, I believe that the stupidity of humanity will prevail in the end^^ |
I enjoy reading posts like this every now and again.
The second sentence made me think of the 3 rules of real estate...lol
If Roh wants to blame someone?
Made me think of Hughes Mearns... Antigonish.
I met a man who wasn't there...
On with the thread. |
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