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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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This forum really needs a regular nutball who would have sort of completely off the wall explanation or response. Not a moderate along the apologist-basher spectrum, but an anarchist or a monarchist or a cultist.
The closest thing I could think of would be a Zackback post. |
He was called mysteriousdeltarays and Zackarooni doesn't hold a candle to what mdr would post. Those were the days. /olfart |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:26 am Post subject: |
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This forum really needs a regular nutball who would have sort of completely off the wall explanation or response. Not a moderate along the apologist-basher spectrum, but an anarchist or a monarchist or a cultist.
The closest thing I could think of would be a Zackback post. |
He was called mysteriousdeltarays and Zackarooni doesn't hold a candle to what mdr would post. Those were the days. /olfart |
I did a username search and saw such thread topics as Freemasonry and wondering if one was developing scurvy.
We need more tinpot types (not Korea conspiracy basherism, but genuine nutball stuff) or people who are on a permanent acid trip. I am slowly growing weary of the usual run around and would enjoy more offbeat stuff.
Like a poster that is borderline incoherent with a writing style that barely follows rules of English. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| You want to discuss something (about Korea or anywhere else for that matter) with me then drop the sweeping statements, the absolutes and the anecdotal blown up into artificial generalist conclusions. You are (from what I can read here) intelligent and able to discuss something so do it. |
Several people wanted to discuss the question of why you blatantly accused people of lying about the story of the Korean teacher who was removed to protect her from the NETs but (as usual) you decided to avoid the real issues to deliver yet more bland platitudes. You really are becoming a first class bore |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Sorry Ed but I accused no one of lying. that is your fabrication.
I was wondering how long it would take you to respond this way. It took less time than I expected.
Discussing work place interaction and the idea that Korean women are somehow "removed" from the presence of FTs seems to be the broad threat topic Ed, I am discussing that.
To help you out and make it clear here is my position on each item being discussed (said so in the thread already but you seem to have missed it)
1- Co-workers who ignore others in workplace is a normal thing. It is rude and odd at times but it is pretty normal for your avg workplace. People (in my opinion) need to grow a thicker skin and realize this is pretty small fry stuff.
2- Korean women being removed from the presence of FTs is to me a hilarious idea (my opinion). Some people disagree, this is fine.
Care to participate with a discussion response (ie by making points instead of insults) or will you just call me names instead? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Sorry Ed but I accused no one of lying |
You said this about Robbie Davis' 'true story' are you now trying to claim that you didn't mean to suggest that he was lying?
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| As a side note: the comments made about Korean women being removed from the presence of FTs to keep them pure or safe was one of the most ridiculous things I have had the misfortune of reading on here in years. It would make good comedy if only it was meant as such... |
And please avoid comments like this in the future
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| I was wondering how long it would take you to respond this way. It took less time than I expected. |
It really is playground standard and makes you look foolish. I wouldn't mention it normally but you've done it before and it's getting tedious |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:21 am Post subject: |
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2- Korean women being removed from the presence of FTs is to me a hilarious idea (my opinion). Some people disagree, this is fine.
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Because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. I understand you never experienced something like that but because you didn't doesn't mean nobody else did either.
I don't have a vested interest in upholding or demolishing the status of Korea as a foreigner friendly place where logic reigns. I can only report on what happened to me. |
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Maserial
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: The Web
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
We need more tinpot types (not Korea conspiracy basherism, but genuine nutball stuff) or people who are on a permanent acid trip. I am slowly growing weary of the usual run around and would enjoy more offbeat stuff.
Like a poster that is borderline incoherent with a writing style that barely follows rules of English. |
In other words, you want itaewonguy to come back. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Maserial wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
We need more tinpot types (not Korea conspiracy basherism, but genuine nutball stuff) or people who are on a permanent acid trip. I am slowly growing weary of the usual run around and would enjoy more offbeat stuff.
Like a poster that is borderline incoherent with a writing style that barely follows rules of English. |
In other words, you want itaewonguy to come back. |
That was my first thought! He was by no means a tinpot type, but his writing definitely barely followed the rules of English. What ever happened to him?
Gwangju Chicken was a bit of a nut. Although I think he carefully crafted that image. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Korean teachers who ignore your existence. |
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I have worked in several public schools over the years and there seems to be one factor common to them all. In each school there is always one teacher who ignores your very existence. You are not acknowledged in any way, even though you pass them in the hallway, enter the building at the same moment, pass by them going into the cafeteria, etc. There's always the one. They act like you are completely invisible and consequently there is no reason to acknowledge you.
Anyone else notice this? Are they just anti-foreigner or is there another explanation for this odd behavior. Oh, one more thing. The teacher in question is almost always a younger female.
Anybody else getting the cold shoulder from Korean staff? |
Back to the original post...I have lived in Korea going on 10 years now, and I have noticed some Korean teachers ignoring or avoiding me, and that is alright, because I have done the same to them as well. The workplace situations people are in should not be dictated by who interacts or doesn't interact with us. I have been teaching in public education for more than 38 years now, and the number of people who ignored me or avoided me during that time is way too many to number. Not arguing points here, but I just want to say, make the best out of your job, and don't worry about things you cannot change. If people avoid you it may be thay they are embarrassed or feel insecure for some reason, and avoidance is a natural response to some people. Good luck on keeping your sanity and doing what you can to make Korea a fun place to work and live. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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No one here does this, not even remotely. You seem to think they do or perhaps you want to think they do because it feeds into your little Daves narrative of apologists.
The reality is not like this but trying to explain it has become useless I fear. the position you described is retarded (much like its opposite of Korea is hell in every way is retarded and not actually real on here).
You want to discuss something (about Korea or anywhere else for that matter) with me then drop the sweeping statements, the absolutes and the anecdotal blown up into artificial generalist conclusions. You are (from what I can read here) intelligent and able to discuss something so do it.
Or stick to using categories if that is your wish. The amusing thing is that by your standard you would probably find me to be a Canada apologist too as I react the same way to sweeping comments made about any group or place.
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Sorry, but I will continue to generalize about Korea based off my experience. I have spent enough time here to freely give my opinion of what it is like being an NET here. I'm not going to stick my nose in a textbook and live in complete denial about the things that have happened to me. People ask me about Korea. They ask me what it is like here. I tell them about my experiences. Some of those experiences include being completely ignored by a coworker and some of those experiences include having older teachers go to bizarre lengths to separate me from younger female teachers. I owe it to anyone that is thinking of coming over here to teach to present the reality of the situations that I have encountered. I'm sorry, but in my opinion your posts are far too optimistic and would only suit an NET that plans on coming here and sticking their head in the sand.
My opinion is not "retarded", it is actually well informed. It is based off my personal experience in Korea. I was kind of with you, until you had to say that they never seperate female teachers from the NET. I wish I could say that is the most ridiculous argument I have seen on Dave's, but unfortunately it's not even close.
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Like a poster that is borderline incoherent with a writing style that barely follows rules of English. |
Whatever happened to Itaewonguy? 
Edit: I just noticed that three people made the same joke already... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Like a poster that is borderline incoherent with a writing style that barely follows rules of English. |
Whatever happened to Itaewonguy?
Edit: I just noticed that three people made the same joke already... |
Yeah like good ol ITWG, or First Date Bites, She ate Baby, or some of the looney female posters that are clearly permanantly lost in some sort of literary/TV fantasy land. Or someone that would give flat out crazy advice but seriously mean it. Or would view things on a completely different level.
More characters needed. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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I have no idea what SNIP means.
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| Simple question - if this was happening "back home", what would ya do? How is it much different here? |
Fair question. It depends on the size of the company. In a school the teachers usually greet or give each other a nod of acknowledgement. If someone was not responding to my greetings I would probably ask other teachers what the person's problem was. If they did it to everyone then I'd think they were an asshole. If they only ignored me then I would have a problem with it. Is it because I'm gay/straight, white/black, male/female? I would want to know what their problem is. I think most people would.
An acknowledgement can be something as little as a smile, a nod, a grunt even.
If a person is exclusively ignoring you then I can understand why people would be upset about that. I think it all comes down to what my major problem with Korea is: a lack of manners and consideration for other people. |
I was with ya until that last sentence. I really don't think it's all that different here than "back home" in many ways. I can see why people would be bothered by some arse at work... but I don't see how it's a symptom of a "lack of manners and consideration in Korea" - as opposed to any place. |
I think you have to go back and look at what ATM Spider was saying. There a person that actually gets paid by a major company (Hyundae) in Korea to explain to foreigners why Koreans are going to refuse to acknowledge their presence. That kind of explanation would not be given in the USA, it would just be acknowledged as rude. Maybe some random guys might make excuses to cover for their coworker, but you wouldn't have an official brief where all the workers are told to expect it lol. Of course when a company actually goes on the record claiming it's ok for it's workers to ignore the foreign workers it's going to irk some of the people that came here to work. We get the same run down at the EPIK brief. It's Korea, if you don't like it you can leave. That's really what it all comes down too. But yeah, I think the way it is addressed here is a lot different than in the USA. |
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Malislamusrex
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| To be honest I don't make eye contact with foreigners. I've got no respect for waygooks because they always seem to be complaining on forums about not being looked at properly instead of planning their classes. My tax dollars help pay for EPIK, so plan your classes and spend less time on how sad you are because Mrs Kim didn't blow you kisses in the corridor. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| To be honest I don't make eye contact with foreigners. I've got no respect for waygooks because they always seem to be complaining on forums about not being looked at properly instead of planning their classes. My tax dollars help pay for EPIK, so plan your classes and spend less time on how sad you are because Mrs Kim didn't blow you kisses in the corridor. |
Well I see two options here
1. Start taking notes of the problems NET's are experiencing and encourage the schools to deal with them. I mean really deal with them, not simply explain them away. If it is successful the word will spread slowly and people will become more eager to come to Korea. Eventually, the government could lower the pay and benefits and save you - the taxpayer, your hard earned money. It might even end up like another Japan where people are willing to live off ramen and stay in on weekends just to get a foot in the door.
2. Keep the status quo, tell NET's if they don't like it they can leave. Show Korean students it's ok to disrespect the NET and IGNORE the NET, let them follow your example and make all that taxpayer money go to waste. Continue the process of having to offer one of the best packages in Asia with the lowest standards for employment, all paid for with your hard earned taxpayer dollars. Continue complaining about having to pay so much. Continue ignoring the reasons you have to pay so much.
I see more people working toward option number 1 than number 2 in Korea. In fact, I think Korea has recently been upping it's requirements for NET's because the improved working conditions and living environment are drawing more applicants (along with a recession). You seem to be pretty fond of option 2 though, why is that? Is it because option number 1 would leave you nothing to complain about on internet forums? |
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